[Aztlan] glyph decipherment.
Michael Finley
mjfinley at shaw.ca
Thu Aug 10 02:01:20 CDT 2006
David Stuart and Stephen Houston's "Maya Writing," a 1989 Scientific
American article, is still a good short introduction to the Maya script
that explains the key breakthroughs --- and it's on-line:
http://www.mc.maricopa.edu/dept/d10/asb/anthro2003/legacy/mayan_lost_tribes/maya_writing/writing.html
At Mesoweb is "classic" that was something of a landmark in
decipherment: Floyd Lounsbury's "Pacal", on the decipherment of the
name glyphs of the greatest ruler of Palenque, which explains the
deductive process in detail:
http://www.mesoweb.com/pari/publications/RT01/RT01_01.html
If you really want to get into the topic, have a look at "Introduction
to Maya Hieroglyphs" by Harri Kettunen and Christophe Helmke, the text
used at workshops teaching the Maya script presented by Wayeb:
Asociación Europea de Mayistas. I think it's the most comprehensive
on-line introduction to the script.
http://www.wayeb.org/indexresources.htm
Michael Finley
David and Fiona Gray wrote:
>Hi All,
> I was looking at online Mayan glyph dictionaries and was wondering how they worked out what a particular glyph means. As the saying goes a picture tells a thousand words.
>
>Cheers Dave G
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> 1. Re: K2352 (Allen Johnson)
> 2. feathered shields (Allen Johnson)
> 3. RE: Sierra del Lacandon and Piedras Negras Threatened
> (David Becraft)
> 4. RE: Letters Needed: Crisis on the Usumacinta (David Becraft)
> 5. Re: Re: 2012: Was there a word for 'repetition'? (villas)
> 6. The debate on archaeological looting (michael ruggeri)
> 7. RE: feathered shields (Justin Kerr)
> 8. Re: feathered shields (Greg Sandor)
> 9. Query (Jorge P?rez de Lara)
> 10. RE: Sierra del Lacandon and Piedras Negras Threatened
> (eschele at mail.utexas.edu)
> 11. Re: Query - Terry Rutledge (Elisabeth Wagner)
> 12. Routledge? (info at mayavision.com)
> 13. Looting of sites issue (michael ruggeri)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 09:43:54 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Allen Johnson <allenj456 at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [Aztlan] K2352
>To: aztlan at lists.famsi.org
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>Thank you for that lead. I'll certainly be looking into it. Do you know if the articles you are refering to are in her book 'Ecstatic Trance: New Ritual Body Postures'?
> Thanks,
> Allen
>
>Carolyn Tate <carolyn.tate at ttu.edu> wrote:
> Dear Allen,
>Felicitas Goodman has published some articles dealing with poses of Olmec
>figures as related to shamanic practices. It's fair to say that there was a
>supernatural component of warfare in Mesoamerica that drew upon such
>experiences, so this may be an avenue that should not be ignored.
>
>Carolyn Tate
>
>
>On 8/7/06 2:00 PM, "Allen Johnson" wrote:
>
>
>
>>Yes Sam, you may ;)
>>I agree that with as much schooling and as much first hand knowledge as
>>these people had to violent encounters, they would easily know if an artist
>>knew what he was doing. I have noticed in my few years with studying and
>>training in various European martial art and then cross training and
>>competing with various other martial arts forms (mostly Asian) that alot of
>>the base techniques and especially grappling is markedly similar. In my
>>opinion, the reason is that we are all human beings and working with the same
>>tool as it were in this reguard. There are only so many ways you can use this
>>fleshy tool to effectivley fight another one. To those that study and use it
>>to great effectivness, all seem to arrive with the same basic techniques. I
>>have a collegue who is in the US military and did a comparative study on the
>>techniques they teach in their Army Combatives classes and how identical they
>>were to German Medieval texts. It was astonishing. So alot of my ideas and
>>theories come from, what biomechanically works effectivley.
>>
>>As far as native American martial arts go, I have done little to no research
>>into that area. As far as I know, there are few who profess to practice and
>>train in historic Native American fighting styles. Many will show you the
>>finer points of tomahawk fighting and throwing and things like that, but what
>>do they back up their ideas with. i dont know...havent looked into it. But
>>it certainly would be a worth while approach.
>>
>>-Allen
>>
>>
>>Sam Edgerton wrote:
>>Hi Allen (if I may): What's really interesting here, for me anyway as a
>>hobbyist sports historian, is that not only does warrior A in K2352 know
>>the proper wrestling holds (I'm especially impressed that he knew to grab
>>B below the knee, not above the knee joint as so may neophyte grapplers
>>try, only to have the opponents easily shake free) but the Maya painter
>>surely knew his wrestling too - which means as you suggest that there must
>>have been a Maya training school, from which A learned the right tricks
>>while B is caught off-guard. Beginners always try for a choke hold which
>>looks great in phony pro wrestling, but will utterly fail and get you
>>immediately pinned if you try it on an experienced free-style (Olympic)
>>wrestler. Wrestling, after all, is one of the oldest if not the oldest
>>one-on-one sports, not only in the classical Western world, but very much
>>so (and still practiced still today) in Asia from Iran across southern
>>Russia through the various "-stans" around Siberia and China, the very
>>place where American Indians were supposed to have hailed from some 13000
>>years ago before they crossed the Bering Straits. Wouldn't it be
>>fascinating if they brought some of these ancient wrestling moves with them
>>to the Americas?
>>Sam Edgerton
>>
>>
>>
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>Message: 2
>Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:38:23 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Allen Johnson <allenj456 at yahoo.com>
>Subject: [Aztlan] feathered shields
>To: aztlan at lists.famsi.org
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>Has anyone come across photos of the backs of period feathered shields such as these: http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/aztec-shields.htm
>
> Im particularly interested in the way in which the shields are strapped and gripped as this affects the way someone moves in combat.
>
> Thanks!
> -Allen
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>Message: 3
>Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 13:21:03 -0700
>From: "David Becraft" <david_becraft at hotmail.com>
>Subject: RE: [Aztlan] Sierra del Lacandon and Piedras Negras
> Threatened
>To: aztlan at lists.famsi.org
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>Are these European Invaders like those that have been coming since 1492? if
>Not, then are they people from Asia or Africa? If NOT, then these are
>INDIGENOUS PEOPLE who have been displaced for the last 514 years from their
>Aboriginal lands. Think about it Listeros. These are Indigenous people
>from North America...FINALLY reclaiming their land.
>
>David F. Becraft
>
>
>
>>From: "Dave Pentecost" <dave.pentecost at gmail.com>
>>To: aztlan at lists.famsi.org
>>CC: Charles Golden <cgolden at brandeis.edu>
>>Subject: [Aztlan] Sierra del Lacandon and Piedras Negras Threatened
>>Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 23:32:03 -0400
>>
>>Listeros
>>
>>There has been no coverage in the American press, but the situation in
>>the Sierra del Lacandon, on the Usumacinta River in Guatemala, has
>>been deteriorating. Large groups of invading settlers, many backed by
>>narcotraffickers, are destroying the jungle in this critical protected
>>area.
>>
>>The Maya site of Piedras Negras is in the Sierra del Lacandon Park.
>>The guard post for that site (at El Porvenir, and two other posts were
>>burned to the ground and the guards evacuated recently. This is part
>>of an ongoing battle that in June of this year resulted in 8 hostages,
>>two of them injured by gunfire. The invaders are demanding title to
>>the land, which is a protected area, administered by the Defensores de
>>la Naturaleza and CONAP in Guatemala.
>>
>>You can read my site for updates on this situation:
>>
>>http://www.gomaya.com/glyph
>>
>>Or go directly to these recent news reports
>>
>>http://www.noti7.com.gt/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=8930
>>http://www.prensalibre.com/pl/2006/agosto/06/148671.html
>>
>>Earlier, guard posts at Yaxha were burned in a similar dispute, and
>>last week three guards at Tikal were ambushed and killed:
>>
>>http://www.prensalibre.com/pl/2006/agosto/06/148671.html
>>
>>I am preparing a report for Frontline on the situation in the
>>Usumacinta watershed, but it is quickly going beyond anything I have
>>the power to record and present. What we are seeing is the complete
>>ungovernability of large areas of Guatemala, and these are areas with
>>high biodiversity and great cultural treasures.
>>
>>Dave
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>Message: 4
>Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 13:26:00 -0700
>From: "David Becraft" <david_becraft at hotmail.com>
>Subject: RE: [Aztlan] Letters Needed: Crisis on the Usumacinta
>To: aztlan at lists.famsi.org
>Cc: cgolden at brandeis.edu
>Message-ID: <BAY105-F36AC088D701BCB00E022558B540 at phx.gbl>
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>Listeros,
>
>The last time the U.S. got involved in Guatemala...and El Salvador,
>Honduras, and Nicaragua; thousands of innocent people died. This indeed is
>a Land issue, but its not about protecting the "Parks", its about protecting
>the rights of Indigenous people to use their own land, which has been held
>back from them.
>
>David F. Becraft
>
>
>
>>From: charles golden <cgolden at brandeis.edu>
>>To: aztlan at lists.famsi.org
>>Subject: [Aztlan] Letters Needed: Crisis on the Usumacinta
>>Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 12:11:34 -0400
>>
>>Dear Listeros,
>>
>>Many thanks to Dave Pentecost for posting the links to news reports on the
>>Sierra del Lacandon and Piedras Negras.
>>
>>I wanted to write to emphasize the situation is dire.
>>
>>This could be the moment in which Piedras Negras is lost to the looters for
>>good, and the remaining portions of the park are burned or logged out. I
>>have worked in the area since 1997, and I have experienced all the many,
>>many problems that plague the Usumacinta. I have never seen such a crisis.
>> Previous attacks on Piedras Negras or on the park authorities were
>>sporadic and limited to one location. The current situation represents a
>>concerted, multi-pronged attack designed to cause the Guatemalan
>>authorities to abandon the park - a plan that has, for now, succeeded. The
>>Usumacinta is now a free trade zone for looters, loggers, and narcos.
>>
>>I want to ask, on behalf of my friends in the Defensores de la Naturaleza,
>>administrators of the park, who are valiantly trying to get the Guatemalan
>>government to respond to this crisis, and on behalf of the Instituto de
>>Antropologia e Historia in Guatemala which is similarly trying to protect
>>Piedras Negras that you write to your representatives in congress and to
>>the US ambassador in Guatemala City encouraging them to take action. In
>>the past, political and economic support from the United States through the
>>Embassy has been successful in getting action from the Guatemalan
>>government.
>>
>>You can e-mail Ambassador James M. Derham at AmCitsGuatemala at state.gov
>>
>>If you have any questions please don't hesitate to contact me.
>>
>>Thank you,
>>Charles Golden
>>cgolden at brandeis.edu
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>Message: 5
>Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 18:08:21 -0400
>From: villas <villas at anawak.com>
>Subject: Re: [Aztlan] Re: 2012: Was there a word for 'repetition'?
>To: "John Major Jenkins" <kahib at ix.netcom.com>
>Cc: aztlan at lists.famsi.org
>Message-ID: <f600ab2b6884fa50e8bf068f99825ef1 at anawak.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
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>The nature of time as reflected in the Calendar of Mesoamerica is
>progressive, it doesn't really repeat and yet it is also cyclical in
>that it follows a pattern based on astronomical movements; planetary
>and celestial.
>
>Marcos Villaseñor
>
>
> Aug 4, 2006, at 9:08 PM, John Major Jenkins wrote:
>
>
>
>>And yet, oddly, the two concepts share similar meanings in terms of
>>cyclic repetitions and self-replacements, time and calendar.
>>
>>John Major Jenkins
>>
>>
>>
>>According to Carlsen's discussion of the form k'exoj in the couplet
>>jaloj
>>k'exoj, the root of Tzutujil k'exoj is k'ex, not k'eh or k'ej; this
>>agrees with Kaufman's Mayan Vocabulary Survey data for Tzutujil. It
>>comes from
>>proto-Mayan *k'ex 'to (ex)change' (see p. 781 of the preliminary Mayan
>>Etymological Dictionary posted at
>>_http://www.famsi.org/reports/01051/index.html_
>>(http://www.famsi.org/reports/01051/index.html) ), which has cognates
>>in Lowland Mayan
>>languages and must be a different root from the one cited by MacLeod.
>>
>>John Justeson
>>
>>Barb MacLeod discussed the Yukatek word k'eh as a word for
>>'repetition',
>>used to reflect the concept of 'return to a calendric starting point'
>>as
>>well as 'repetition of a prior event'.
>>
>>It might be worth noting the highland Maya (Tzutujil) paradigm of
>>change
>>known as Jaloj Kexoj, in which Keh is a root concept relating to
>>sequences of self-replacements, such as the sun replacing it on daily
>>levels (at dawn) and yearly levels (at the December solstice). Or a
>>newborn replacing the grandparent. Jal is change at the husk while Kej
>>(or by different orthography, Keh) is change at the seed, or core. The
>>concept seems closely related to the Yukatek usage, perhaps supplying
>>an
>>even deeper reading, and was explored by Carlsen and Prechtel in the
>>essays:
>>
>>Carlsen, Robert S., and Martín Prechtel
>>1988 Weaving and Cosmos amongst the Tzutujil Maya of Guatemala. Res
>>15:122-132.
>>
>>Carlsen, Robert S., and Martín Prechtel
>>1990 The Flowering of the Dead: An Interpretation of Highland Maya
>>Culture. Man (N.S.) 26:23-42.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>Message: 6
>Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 19:11:01 -0500
>From: michael ruggeri <michaelruggeri at mac.com>
>Subject: [Aztlan] The debate on archaeological looting
>To: Aztlan <aztlan at lists.famsi.org>
>Message-ID: <9289597E-87F2-46D6-8F66-15E1A2C15548 at mac.com>
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>Listeros,
>
>When the listserv begins to veer off into political directions that
>threaten to create charges and countercharges, we have to move on to
>other topics to keep our listserv from ad hominems and focused on
>scholarly pursuits.
>
>Therefore, I ask that any further messages on the looting issue in
>Guatemala be taken offline. There are several messages posted now I
>will not send since that would start the ad hominems flowing and we
>do not need that. AZTLAN remains a scholarly and genteel listserv.
>
>I know you understand.
>
>Mike Ruggeri
>AZTLAN moderator
>
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>Message: 7
>Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 20:32:37 -0400
>From: "Justin Kerr" <mayavase at verizon.net>
>Subject: RE: [Aztlan] feathered shields
>To: "'Allen Johnson'" <allenj456 at yahoo.com>, <aztlan at lists.famsi.org>
>Message-ID: <001b01c6bb4b$51874a40$6701a8c0 at justnew>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>Please look at numbers 1873 and 4651. All you have to do is type in the word
>shield.
>Justin
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: aztlan-bounces at lists.famsi.org [mailto:aztlan-bounces at lists.famsi.org]
>On Behalf Of Allen Johnson
>Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 2:38 PM
>To: aztlan at lists.famsi.org
>Subject: [Aztlan] feathered shields
>
>Has anyone come across photos of the backs of period feathered shields such
>as these: http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/aztec-shields.htm
>
> Im particularly interested in the way in which the shields are strapped
>and gripped as this affects the way someone moves in combat.
>
> Thanks!
> -Allen
>
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>Message: 8
>Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 21:19:37 -0400
>From: "Greg Sandor" <gregory_sandor at hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Aztlan] feathered shields
>To: <aztlan at lists.famsi.org>
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>Hi Allen,
>I thought of your question about shields when I modeled these:
>http://gregsandor.tripod.com/Mx/Mx.html
>
>I think the result I came up with works well, but somehow still seems a
>little unstable in a fight. I would want some kind of hand strap or maybe a
>thumb loop to keep the shield from rocking around.
>
>
>Regards,
>
>Greg
>
>(614) 517-7204
>greg at gregsandor.com
>http://www.gregsandor.com
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Allen Johnson" <allenj456 at yahoo.com>
>To: <aztlan at lists.famsi.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 2:38 PM
>Subject: [Aztlan] feathered shields
>
>
>
>
>>Has anyone come across photos of the backs of period feathered shields
>>
>>
>such as these: http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/aztec-shields.htm
>
>
>> Im particularly interested in the way in which the shields are strapped
>>
>>
>and gripped as this affects the way someone moves in combat.
>
>
>> Thanks!
>> -Allen
>>
>>
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>Message: 9
>Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 08:39:24 -0500
>From: Jorge P?rez de Lara <jorgepl at estudioelias.com>
>Subject: [Aztlan] Query
>To: Aztlan <aztlan at lists.famsi.org>
>Message-ID: <44D9E58C.3000805 at estudioelias.com>
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>Dear listeros,
>
>I was wondering if anybody on Aztlan knows the contact information for
>an artist whose last name is Routledge and who is known for this very
>detailed and imaginative paintings and drawings of Maya myths.
>Specifically, I remember seeing scenes of ball-playing in Xibalbá with
>wonderful interpretations of the underworld gods. I have a proposition
>for him and really need to get a hold of him.
>
>Thanks in advance for any help any listeros may provide in this regard,
>
>Jorge
>
>
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>Message: 10
>Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 09:12:51 -0500
>From: eschele at mail.utexas.edu
>Subject: RE: [Aztlan] Sierra del Lacandon and Piedras Negras
> Threatened
>To: David Becraft <david_becraft at hotmail.com>
>Cc: aztlan at lists.famsi.org
>Message-ID: <1155132771.44d9ed63af687 at webmailapp5.cc.utexas.edu>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
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>Hi David,
>
>It would be nice if were as simple as what you wrote below, but unfortnately,
>there are no simple answers. If you read the article in Prinsa Libre, you can
>see that lawlessness and unaccountability is the real issue and anyone who
>works in the area or cares about Guatemala and its people can be concerned.
>
>Elaine
>
>Quoting David Becraft <david_becraft at hotmail.com>:
>
>
>
>>Are these European Invaders like those that have been coming since 1492? if
>>Not, then are they people from Asia or Africa? If NOT, then these are
>>INDIGENOUS PEOPLE who have been displaced for the last 514 years from their
>>Aboriginal lands. Think about it Listeros. These are Indigenous people
>>from North America...FINALLY reclaiming their land.
>>
>>David F. Becraft
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: "Dave Pentecost" <dave.pentecost at gmail.com>
>>>To: aztlan at lists.famsi.org
>>>CC: Charles Golden <cgolden at brandeis.edu>
>>>Subject: [Aztlan] Sierra del Lacandon and Piedras Negras Threatened
>>>Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 23:32:03 -0400
>>>
>>>Listeros
>>>
>>>There has been no coverage in the American press, but the situation in
>>>the Sierra del Lacandon, on the Usumacinta River in Guatemala, has
>>>been deteriorating. Large groups of invading settlers, many backed by
>>>narcotraffickers, are destroying the jungle in this critical protected
>>>area.
>>>
>>>The Maya site of Piedras Negras is in the Sierra del Lacandon Park.
>>>The guard post for that site (at El Porvenir, and two other posts were
>>>burned to the ground and the guards evacuated recently. This is part
>>>of an ongoing battle that in June of this year resulted in 8 hostages,
>>>two of them injured by gunfire. The invaders are demanding title to
>>>the land, which is a protected area, administered by the Defensores de
>>>la Naturaleza and CONAP in Guatemala.
>>>
>>>You can read my site for updates on this situation:
>>>
>>>http://www.gomaya.com/glyph
>>>
>>>Or go directly to these recent news reports
>>>
>>>http://www.noti7.com.gt/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=8930
>>>http://www.prensalibre.com/pl/2006/agosto/06/148671.html
>>>
>>>Earlier, guard posts at Yaxha were burned in a similar dispute, and
>>>last week three guards at Tikal were ambushed and killed:
>>>
>>>http://www.prensalibre.com/pl/2006/agosto/06/148671.html
>>>
>>>I am preparing a report for Frontline on the situation in the
>>>Usumacinta watershed, but it is quickly going beyond anything I have
>>>the power to record and present. What we are seeing is the complete
>>>ungovernability of large areas of Guatemala, and these are areas with
>>>high biodiversity and great cultural treasures.
>>>
>>>Dave
>>>--
>>>The Daily Glyph http://www.gomaya.com/glyph
>>>Usumacinta http://www.gomaya.com/dams
>>>Cell 917 312 9733
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>Aztlan mailing list
>>>Aztlan at lists.famsi.org
>>>http://www.famsi.org/mailman/listinfo/aztlan
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>>>
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>Message: 11
>Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 16:50:29 +0200
>From: "Elisabeth Wagner" <koxop at gmx.net>
>Subject: Re: [Aztlan] Query - Terry Rutledge
>To: "Jorge P?rez de Lara" <jorgepl at estudioelias.com>,
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>Dear Jorge,
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>the only information I could find on Terry Rutledge is a link to a webpage that promotes his art. The site has not been updated since a couple of years, so I am not sure whether the e-mail address given there is still up to date.
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>E-mail: terry at dreamagic.com
>http://www.dreamagic.com/captn/terry1.html
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>I hope this information is helpful for you. Good luck !
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>All the best from Germany,
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>Elisabeth
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>Datum: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 08:39:24 -0500
>Von: "Jorge Pérez de Lara" <jorgepl at estudioelias.com>
>An: Aztlan <aztlan at lists.famsi.org>
>Betreff: [Aztlan] Query
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>>Dear listeros,
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>>I was wondering if anybody on Aztlan knows the contact information for
>>an artist whose last name is Routledge and who is known for this very
>>detailed and imaginative paintings and drawings of Maya myths.
>>Specifically, I remember seeing scenes of ball-playing in Xibalbá with
>>wonderful interpretations of the underworld gods. I have a proposition
>>for him and really need to get a hold of him.
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>>Thanks in advance for any help any listeros may provide in this regard,
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>>Jorge
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