[Aztlan] Re: Wheeled animal effigies

[Kolb, Charles]

This is the reference Dick mentioned:

Antiquity Vol 61:232, 1987 pp 239-246 - Richard A. Diehl - Tula, and
wheeled animal effigies in Mesoamerica
Title: Tula, and wheeled animal effigies in Mesoamerica DC. Creator:
Diehl R  
http://www.antiquity.ac.uk/ant/061/Ant0610239  
HTML Abstract (free) 

Charlie Kolb

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Subject: [Aztlan] Re: Wheeled animal effigies

I have been monitoring the discussion on wheeled animal figurines on a
sporadic basis and would just like to remind listeros that Margaret
Mandeville and I published a fairly complete survey of wheeled animal
effigies in Mesoamerica in the British journal Antiquity sometime during
the late 1980s. I am on the road at the moment and do not have the year
or citation at hand but I am certain that it can be found at the
Antiquity website. We found scores of them at Tula and they are NOT
toys. 
 
Saludos, y'all.
 
Dick Diehl

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Today's Topics:

   1. Two Enigmatic Wheeled Figurines (DWirth8851 at aol.com)


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Subject: [Aztlan] Two Enigmatic Wheeled Figurines
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While on the subject of wheels, I was looking  through my file and came
across Gordon Ekholm's "Wheeled Toys in Mexico,"  American Antiquity,
Vol. XI, April 1946, pp.222-228. Plate xxvi has two  very strange
figurines with holes for wheels (wheels missing). One has a rider  (legs
there, but top portion
missing) on a saddle?? or at least a fillet for  support. The other is
an animal with a headdress, but has a bit and halter. I  located the
latter in another book, which also has a front view of the animal.  That
illustration is in Florence H. and Robert M. Pettit, Mexican Folk Toys:
Festival Decorations and Ritual Objects (New York, Hastings House
Publishers, 1978), p. 15.

    In 1977 Dr. Ekholm answered my letter about the  figurine with the
rider, and he said: "[it] is from Oaxaca but has no exact  provenance.
It was obtained by Marshall Saville in about the year 1900, --
apparently purchased from a local collector. In my article I suggested
that it  might date to the time of the first Spaniards in Oaxaca --
because of the rider  -- but now I am not so sure of this. I have shown
it to Ignacio Bernal and other  experts on Oaxaca ceramics and they
agree that it looks like a pre-Columbian  object. But no one attempts to
place it in any particular ceramic period."

The animal with the bit and halter is from Panuco, Mexico, a Huastec
site. 
Once again, I've made illustrations and can send them to anyone who
requests them.

Diane Wirth


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