[Aztlan] Mississippian Origins in Mexico?

[micc2]

I agree that ..." Instead of using the scientific hypothesis and finding 
evidence to support that hypothesis, the evidence should tell the story"

But I also have sensed an anti- mesoamerica bias in some of the 
discussion from some U.S. archaeologists, anthropologists and aficionados.

Some people want that almighty and sacred southern border to be there 
for precolumbian cultures, influences, and trade.
 It seems that for some,  accepting a southern influence in the the 
Mississippian and  Hopwell cultures somehow "degrades" or "lessens" 
their vitality, creativity, and intelligence.

Yet, some of the indigenous people I have met from the Chickasaw and 
Cherokee nations, have alluded to "their culture" coming from the south. 
How far south is what the "pet theory" seems to discuss.

CSI style investigation works when the bones, blood and crime scene are 
recent.  But 2,000 years of history, geographic change and mythic 
remembrance are a lot harder nut to crack.

mario

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wolfhawk wrote:
> I am also interested in the indigenous populations of the southeast USA.
>
> I have yet to see ANY real proof of a connection between southeastern 
> indigenous groups and Mexico, Mesoamerica, or South America; although 
> the idea has been suggested by a number of researchers [usually] based 
> upon architectural similarities. I have examined much of this 
> "evidence" and it appears to be architecturally-related to almost 
> anywhere in the world - circles, squares, and other geometric shapes 
> seem to be common in most ancient cultures.
>
> I am not a professional, but this seems fairly obvious to me. I think 
> some researchers want very much to find evidence for a pet theory that 
> they are blinded to the obvious.
>
> I think Archaeology could benefit greatly from CSI - Instead of using 
> the scientific hypothesis and finding evidence to support that 
> hypothesis, the evidence should tell the story.  wolfhawk
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Daniels" <Gary at lostworlds.org>
> To: "Aztlan2" <aztlan at lists.famsi.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 1:24 PM
> Subject: [Aztlan] Mississippian Origins in Mexico?
>
>
>> Is anyone here familiar with Mexican geography? I'm trying to locate the
>> origins of the Creek Indians, the first mississippians in the 
>> southeast U.S.
>> Their migration legend has some tantalizing clues that makes me think 
>> they
>> have an origin in Mexico. Primarily, the myth mentions a mountain 
>> with red
>> smoke that's actually fire. This sure sounds a lot like a volcano to
>> me....and since there are no volcanos in the eastern U.S., I think it 
>> would
>> be difficult for a tribe to perfectly describe something they've never
>> experienced.
>>
>> Below is an excerpt from the Creek Migration Legend. If the 
>> geographic clues
>> sound like a real place in Mexico, I'd love to hear about it:
>>
>> "They came to a thick, muddy, slimy river-- came there, camped there, 
>> rested
>> there, and stayed over night there. The next day they continued their
>> journey and came, in one day, to a red, bloody river. They lived by this
>> river, and ate of its fishes for two years; but there were low springs
>> there; and it did not please them to remain. They went toward the end of
>> this bloody river, and heard a noise as of thunder. They approached 
>> to see
>> whence the noise came. At first they perceived a red smoke, and then a
>> mountain which thundered; and on the mountain was a sound as of singing.
>> They sent to see what this was; and it was a great fire which blazed 
>> upward,
>> and made this singing noise....They here met a people of three different
>> Nations. They had taken and saved some of the fire from the mountain; 
>> and,
>> at this place, they also obtained a knowledge of herbs and of many other
>> things."
>>
>> The full text of the myth can be found here:
>>
>> http://www.wm.edu/linguistics/creek/gatschet/01Gatschet8-18.pdf
>>
>> So basically I'm looking for a volcano that's near two rivers...a
>> muddy/slimy river and  a red "bloody" river. The "low springs" could be
>> sulfur springs...which wouldn't be out of the ordinary near a volcano.
>>
>> Does this location sound familiar to anyone? Does this fit the 
>> description
>> of the geography around El Popo?
>>
>> *************************
>> Gary C. Daniels
>> Publisher, LostWorlds.org
>> http://www.lostworlds.org?gad=CM6al6sDEgg2VfoIq4PgCxjIgoT_AyD2h4AT
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