[Aztlan] coming from the south

[Bertram Perkel]

The swastika is a ubiquitous symbol and independently found in cultures 
world wide in both it's "normal" and reversed form. For instance on my 
recent trip to India it was a symbol found at both Hindu Temples and 
tribal sites as well as appearing in representations of the Hindu story 
of creation---it also appeared at sites on a recent trip along the 
Mediterranean coast of Turkey.  I suggest that the fact of it's 
appearance in two or more proximate mezo-american cultures is a slim 
reed upon which to base a speculation of a possible connection between 
the them.
Bertram Perkel
On May 28, 2006, at 1:19 AM, Marcelo Donadello wrote:

> Not the images, but some info from... Wikipedia.
>
>   The swastika shape was used by some Native Americans. It has been 
> found in excavations of Mississippian-era sites in the Ohio valley. It 
> was widely used by many southwestern tribes, most notably the Navajo. 
> Among different tribes the swastika carried various meanings. To the 
> Hopi it represented the wandering Hopi clan; to the Navajo it was one 
> symbol for a whirling log (tsil no'oli'), a sacred image representing 
> a legend that was used in healing rituals.[13]
>
> The Flag of Kuna Yala.
>
>
>   A swastika shape is an ancient symbol in the culture of the Kuna 
> people of Kuna Yala, Panama. In Kuna tradition it symbolises the 
> octopus, which created the world; its tentacles, pointing to the four 
> cardinal points, gave rise to the rainbow, the sun, the moon and the 
> stars.[14]
>   In February, 1925, the Kuna revolted against Panamanian suppression 
> of their culture, and were granted autonomy in 1930; the flag which 
> they adopted at this time is based on the swastika shape, and remains 
> the official flag of Kuna Yala. A number of variations on the flag 
> have been used over the years; red top and bottom bands instead of 
> orange were previously used, and in 1942 a ring (representing the 
> traditional Kuna nose-ring) was added to the centre of the flag to 
> distance it from the symbol of the Nazi party.[15]
>
> Marcelo Donadello
>
> Ivan Van Laningham <ivanlan at pauahtun.org> escribió:
>   Hi All--
>
> sharon mcmullen orlet wrote:
>> I DO know that the Hopi's believe they drew the short stick and 
>> travelled from a land to the lands they are in now. some of their 
>> leaders think they originated from Maya land. I saw the Hopi 
>> "swastika" in its unreversed form when i was in Palenque.
>> It is interesting to think about more tribes possibly coming from the 
>> south (or west) as well.
>>
>
> Can you post, or direct us to, images of both the Hopi swastika and the
> Palenque example you saw?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Metta,
> Ivan
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