[Aztlan] Meso trade in Hawaii

[Greg Sandor]

Maybe its the wrong ocean, but aren't there rafts of kelp or sargasso or
something that accumulate and float long distances, and are used along the
way by birds and other animals?  I suppose a chart of ocean currents could
show likely routes that intersect both landmasses and associated crops.

Regards,

Greg

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Evans" <revans at atoda.com>
To: <aztlan at lists.famsi.org>
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 11:14 AM
Subject: RE: [Aztlan] Meso trade in Hawaii


> Strong evidence of pre-Columbian sweet potatoes and bottle gourds in
> Polynesia raises the possibility of trade. The nay-sayers harp on the vast
> distances to travel, "impossible" they say. On the other hand theory of
the
> seeds floating by themselves and surviving the long immersion in salt
water
> is a bit of a stretch, particularly for the sweet-potato.
>
> So it is likely that these items came from the Americas in some sort of
man
> made sailing vessel, perhaps a covered canoe, but there is no DNA evidence
> to show intermingling of races. The logistics and economics of such a trip
> render it extremely unlikely. Just to carry enough water for the man/men
to
> survive makes it virtually impossible.
>
> But why does a manned canoe have to make it across? And back? I'm sure
that
> over the ages there were many thousands of traders lost at sea. All it
would
> take is one nicely packed trader's canoe to get thrown off course. The
> unfortunate trader would die of exposure or drowning. The canoe could
float
> for many months until it eventually either was found by Polynesians just
> offshore, or washed up on the beach. The top part of the cargo would
> probably be baked dry, and the bottom water logged, but the stuff in the
> middle would have kept fine.
>
> Robert Evans
> revans at atoda.com
> www.atoda.com
> <>-----Original Message-----
> <>From: aztlan-bounces at lists.famsi.org [mailto:aztlan-
> <>bounces at lists.famsi.org] On Behalf Of Lawrence Lo
> <>Sent: November 5, 2006 8:28 PM
> <>To: stu16274 at atu.edu
> <>Cc: aztlan at lists.famsi.org
> <>Subject: Re: [Aztlan] Meso trade in Hawaii
> <>
> <>Hello,
> <>
> <>Last year there were a bunch of articles about a theory that the
Hawaiian
> <>might have reached Southern California and taught the Chumash and
> <>Gabrielinos who lived on the Santa Barbara islands how to build
> <>Polynesian-style sewn-plank canoes which were different from those of
> <>other groups in Southern California.
> <>
> <>Some of the articles:
> <>
> <>http://www.archaeology.org/0503/abstracts/canoes.html
> <>http://www.berkeley.edu/news/berkeleyan/2005/08/03_chumash.shtml
> <>http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-
> <>bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/06/20/MNG9GDBBLG1.DTL&type=science
> <>
> <>I found the evidence very interesting but it's hard to prove a theory
with
> <>only two pieces of evidence.
> <>
> <>Cheers
> <>
> <>LarrY
> <>
> <>
> <>> Greetings all.
> <>>
> <>> Some time in the past couple of years I read an on-line 'news'
> <>> article about archaeological evidence of trade between mesoamerica (I
> <>> think it was Aztec) and Hawaii.
> <>>
> <>> Try as I might I can not find any reference now.
> <>> Did I dream it up or was it some sort of hoax that has now
> <>> vanished in the mist?
> <>>
> <>> Any help in this area would be appreciated.
> <>>
> <>> Thanks
> <>>
> <>> Tom Snizek
> <>> Arkansas Tech University
> <>>
> <>>
> <>>
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