[Aztlan] Popol vuh

[D. M. Urquidi]

Izapa Stela 7 is so badly erroded as of 1979, the "ïdentified" figured are very difficult to make out. They could be any god or human.
   
  Dea

Michael Finley <mjfinley at shaw.ca> wrote:
  Interesting observations, Justin --- and certainly more research would 
help clarify the identity of Itzam Yeh. But just to play devil's 
advocate, doesn't Izapa 7 plausibly portray the "fall of 7 Macaw?" And 
it's interesting to note that Izapa 25 seems to show Hun Ahaw beside a 
world tree with a bird deity in the top of the tree, and another bird 
deity on the standard carried by Hun Ahaw. Is it not possible that one 
of these (7 Macaw?) represents the "false sun" of the old order (as the 
Popol Vuh seems to suggest), while the other (Itzam Yeh?), associated 
with pre-Classical rulers, represents the "true sun at zenith " of the 
new order --- or such like? As I recall Bassie, "Maya Creator Gods" had 
some interesting things to say about possible distinctions between Itzam 
Yeh and 7 Macaw.

Michael Finley

Justin Kerr wrote:

>In light of the discoveries at San Bartolo, and the fact that the Hero Twins
>as ball players were painted on the walls of a temple in the Mundo Perdido
>of Tikal, and that so many early Classic buildings bear the mask of the
>Principal Bird Deity (Itzam Yeh), the religious motifs of the Maya were in
>place for a very long time. Although the Quiche version of the story has the
>Hero Twins as conquerors of Vucub Caquix, The Izapa image presents a dilemma
>in that we cannot be sure of who is the victor in that scene. Given the fact
>that Early Classic rulers adopted the mask of Itzam Yeh as a symbol of
>power, it may be that by the time the Quiche recorded the tale, it may have
>become a revisionist version. From the Early Classic ceramic images
>(K3105a-e) we also cannot be sure who the victor is in that the bird is
>never shown destroyed. The later images as well only show the shooting
>(K1226) but never a dead bird. An image of the shooting of the bird (K4546)
>shows the blowgun split so the pellet may go astray and merely wound the
>bird as the Quiche story has it. 
>I believe that we need more research and certainly more images would help.
>Justin Kerr 
>
> 
>

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