[Aztlan] Chicha

Tue Apr 10 14:07:17 CDT 2007

Non-Maya people in present day Honduras & El Salvador make an alcoholic 
drink they call "chicha" from maize, pineapple, & spices.  Had some a few 
months ago.  Very tasty.

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>    1. Maya Alcoholic Maize Wine (jeremy smith)
>    2. Re: Maya Alcoholic Maize Wine (Justin Kerr)
>    3. Maya alcoholic maize wine (Nick Hopkins)
>    4. Re: Maya Alcoholic Fruits Wine (Henry Avila)
>    5. Ep: meeting announcement: NE Mesoam. Epig. Group (NutMEG):
>       Fri-Sat Apr 20 & 21 (JSJusteson at aol.com)
>    6. Maize Farming In Mexico - Earliest Evidence (Elaine Day Schele)
>    7. Re: Maya Alcoholic Fruits Wine (D. M. Urquidi)
>    8. In Search of Nature - A new addition to the FAMSI Journal	by
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>Message: 1
>Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 09:36:20 -0700 (PDT)
>From: jeremy smith <birdjaguar7 at yahoo.com>
>Subject: [Aztlan] Maya Alcoholic Maize Wine
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>Hi Everybody,
>
>   It seems like the Maya did have an alcoholic drink made from maize. Most 
>of you
>   professional Mayanist probably already knew this. I knew the Maya 
>consumed some form of
>   intoxicating beverage from various ceramic vessels and figurines 
>portraying intoxicated
>   persons. John Montgomery (2001;185) writes in "Tikal-An Illustrated 
>History of the Ancient
>   Maya Capital," about a vessel taken from Burial 196:
>
>       "Among the polychrome cylinders present, one ranks among the most 
>beautiful ever
>   painted in the Maya lowlands. Smaller than typical vases, and executed 
>in "codex style,"
>   the cream field and heiroglyphic writing resemble a page from a Maya 
>book. The dual
>   enthroned lords and their attendants are outlined in black, while 
>costume details, the
>   ruler's bodies, and the more important heiroglyphs are tinted in shades 
>of red. Both
>   attendants represent hummingbirds. and their long beaks pierce the 
>heiroglyph for
>   "flower." Another sign written on the vase between them, reads sa, 
>identifying the vessels
>   contents as alcoholic maize gruel."
>
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>Message: 2
>Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:31:09 -0400
>From: "Justin Kerr" <mayavase at verizon.net>
>Subject: Re: [Aztlan] Maya Alcoholic Maize Wine
>To: "'jeremy smith'" <birdjaguar7 at yahoo.com>, <aztlan at lists.famsi.org>
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>The vase the John Montgomery refers to is K8008 and unless I am reading the
>text incorrectly the rim text, says cacao.
>We can study K1092 were the text refers to Ah Ki (the drunkard)[in Yukatec]
>and the leaves in the bowl have been identified as maguey.
>There is strong evidence that a prime substance to ferment was honey, see
>K1453.
>But K504 has a text that refers to "the seeds of the genitals" which is a
>euphuism referring to corn gruel.
>Justin
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>Subject: [Aztlan] Maya Alcoholic Maize Wine
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>Hi Everybody,
>
>   It seems like the Maya did have an alcoholic drink made from maize. Most
>of you
>   professional Mayanist probably already knew this. I knew the Maya 
>consumed
>some form of
>   intoxicating beverage from various ceramic vessels and figurines
>portraying intoxicated
>   persons. John Montgomery (2001;185) writes in "Tikal-An Illustrated
>History of the Ancient
>   Maya Capital," about a vessel taken from Burial 196:
>
>       "Among the polychrome cylinders present, one ranks among the most
>beautiful ever
>   painted in the Maya lowlands. Smaller than typical vases, and executed 
>in
>"codex style,"
>   the cream field and heiroglyphic writing resemble a page from a Maya 
>book.
>The dual
>   enthroned lords and their attendants are outlined in black, while 
>costume
>details, the
>   ruler's bodies, and the more important heiroglyphs are tinted in shades 
>of
>red. Both
>   attendants represent hummingbirds. and their long beaks pierce the
>heiroglyph for
>   "flower." Another sign written on the vase between them, reads sa,
>identifying the vessels
>   contents as alcoholic maize gruel."
>
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>Message: 3
>Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:53:38 -0400
>From: Nick Hopkins <nhopkins at mailer.fsu.edu>
>Subject: [Aztlan] Maya alcoholic maize wine
>To: Aztlan <aztlan at lists.famsi.org>
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>In response to birdjaguar7 at yahoo.com RE the maize drink, the modern
>Maya of the Chiapas highlands (e.g., Tzotzils, Tzeltals) make a
>fermented maize drink called chicha (a Spanish word which elsewhere
>refers to drinks made from other stuff), which I would imagine is the
>same as the preconquest fermented beverage.  Tzotzil yakil vo',
>Tzeltal yakal ja', etc., are based on a root yak meaning intoxicating/
>intoxicated, cf. Chol y?k, drunk.  The alcoholic content is about
>that of beer, and this beverage is/was sold and consumed in village
>markets on market days and on the occasion of public festivities.
>The beverage referred to by John Montgomery, sa'  (Spanish pozol), is
>the beverage taken to the fields by agricultural workers, and is not
>usually fermented (in my experience), although it is sometimes
>consumed in a sour stage that is on its way to fermentation (pozol
>agrio), just like 'ul (atole) may be slightly fermented.  A chart of
>the stages of production of these two beverages (and several dozen
>other maize preparations) can be constructed from the data in Berlin,
>Breedlove and Raven's Principles of Tzeltal Plant Taxonomy.
>
>Nick Hopkins
>
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>Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 16:54:21 -0500
>From: "Henry Avila" <hwavila at tutopia.com>
>Subject: Re: [Aztlan] Maya Alcoholic Fruits Wine
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>Alcoholic Fruits Wine
>
>Well, I don?t know if this drink is from maya origin, but certainly it is
>very antique here in high lands of Guatemala.  And it is prepared almost
>only for the maya comunity.
>
>Consist in a mix of fruits pieces in a boiling soup, many kinds of fruits,
>and then it gets bury for about three weeks.  After that lapse, it is ready
>for drink.
>
>This drink is known as "koosha" and it is forbbiden by the goverment.  It 
>is
>very alcoholic, I proved it and I think it is like a shot of tequila.  One
>person can be easily get drunk with a few drinks.  I was wondering if this
>was an antique drink just like the "maize wine".
>
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>Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 21:27:23 EDT
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>Subject: [Aztlan] Ep: meeting announcement: NE Mesoam. Epig. Group
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>Carolyn Tate will be speaking on La  Venta's processional creation 
>narrative.
>  Her presentation will begin at  4:00pm on Friday, April 20, in Room 354 
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>Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 23:21:34 -0500
>From: "Elaine Day Schele" <eschele at austin.rr.com>
>Subject: [Aztlan] Maize Farming In Mexico - Earliest Evidence
>To: "Aztlan" <aztlan at lists.famsi.org>
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> >From Science Daily:
>Source: Florida State University
>Date: April 9, 2007
>Anthropologist Finds Earliest Evidence Of Maize Farming In Mexico
>Science Daily - A Florida State University anthropologist has new evidence 
>that ancient farmers in Mexico were cultivating an early form of maize, the 
>forerunner of modern corn, about 7,300 years ago - 1,200 years earlier than 
>scholars previously thought.
>
>Professor Mary Pohl conducted an analysis of sediments in the Gulf Coast of 
>Tabasco, Mexico, and concluded that people were planting crops in the "New 
>World" of the Americas around 5,300 B.C. The analysis extends Pohl's 
>previous work in this area and validates principles of microfossil data 
>collection.
>
>The results of Pohl's study, which she conducted along with Dolores R. 
>Piperno of the National Museum of Natural History in Washington, D.C. and 
>the Smithsonian Tropical Research Institute in the Republic of Panama, 
>Kevin O. Pope of Geo Arc Research and John G. Jones of Washington State 
>University, will be published in the April 9-13 edition of the journal 
>Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
>
>For the rest of the story: 
>http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070409181647.htm
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>Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 18:42:37 -0700 (PDT)
>From: "D. M. Urquidi" <deamayaspin at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [Aztlan] Maya Alcoholic Fruits Wine
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>  Henry Avila
>
>When water is bad or dangerous to drink, things like
>alcoholic fruit beverages, grapes, pineapple,
>maiz,maguey,  etc. are the solution.
>
>The Guatemala drink is similar to the Cali, Colombia
>pineapple offering at meals; Not as alcoholic, only
>three or four days (or a week) in a pot. in the hot
>weather, this makes a slightly tart cerveza.  It seems
>that the whole of the Americas has some variant of
>this drink.  It keeps away diarrhea and other stomach
>viruses and makes for healthy people IF not used in
>excess.   (Or not used with excess fermentation time.)
>
>Dea
>
>D. M. Urquidi
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>Message: 8
>Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 06:53:28 -0700 (PDT)
>From: David Hixson <aztlandave at yahoo.com>
>Subject: [Aztlan] In Search of Nature - A new addition to the FAMSI
>	Journal	by John Hoopes
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