[Aztlan] Translation of honesty

[David Hixson]

Actually, the Cordemex (which I do rely upon, but
hadn't checked before sending that last email), says:

TOH: la verdad, lo que es verdad o verdadero...
TOH KAB: claro, sin rodeos, terminante, preciso
TOHKINAH: certidumbre
TOHOL T'AN: verdadero y la verdad
AH TOHOL T'AN: fidedigno, verdadero
TOH U T'AN: verdadero

Then it has a separate entry for toh:

TOH: cosa derecha, directo, recto

In modern Yucatec, based on Victoria Bricker's
dictionary of the Maya language as spoken in Hocaba,
the first entry for Toh is "straight, direct"

I think the litteral meaning of Toh in all of these
cases is "straight", while it can have a more poetic
meaning of "truth", much like in English we say "That
guy is playing it straight".

-Dave


--- Hube Smith <husmith at charter.net> wrote:

> Hmmmm
> 
> The Cordemex has "Honestidad" as:
> 
> sah -- (I don't see anything but "fear" in the entry
> itself.)
> sahlemil --  (Seems to be a good one.)
> talan --  (Not a lot of sources seem to have offered
> this -- Motul I and II 
> and the Vienna)
> 
> 
> The various meanings of "tohol" (pages 802-803)
> don't seem to relate to 
> either "straight"
> or "honest." Am I missing something?
> 
> Its words for "Honesto" include those above plus:
> 
> chinan -- (Motul II, Solis Acala, and The San
> Francisco of 1855)
> heben heben -- (Only one sourcing from Motul I)
> 
> 
> I tend to put a lot of store in the Cordemex. How
> about others?
> 
> 
> Hube Smith
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Hixson" <aztlandave at yahoo.com>
> To: "Aztlan" <Aztlan at lists.famsi.org>
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 2:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [Aztlan] Translation of honesty
> 
> 
> >I have an old worm-eaten dictionary that I find
> very
> > useful when it comes to colloquialisms.  This
> > Maya-English dictionary ("Vocabulario de
> Mayathan")
> > was compiled by Dorothy Andrews Heath de Zapata
> > (Undergrad from U. Pitt [1951] degree of
> Philology,
> > [1967] and a degree in archaeology [1971] from
> > University of Yucatan).
> >
> > The dictionary was composed while she was living
> in
> > Merida, using various source books, along with
> local
> > informants.  It is certainly not an exhaustive
> (nor
> > always authoritative) source, but it can be
> extremely
> > useful when it comes to terms that she felt would
> > properly convey an english term or phrase.
> >
> > She gives the Yucatec translation:
> >
> > Honest: tohol
> >
> > [now, "tohol" really means "straight" but clearly
> the
> > meaning is properly translated - such as in the
> phrase
> > "toh a wool" (straight is your heart)]
> >
> > She also has:
> >
> > Honesty: zac lemil
> >
> > Which is clearly an idiomatic expression.
> >
> > -Dave
> >
> >
> > --- Nick Hopkins <nhopkins at mailer.fsu.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> Henry et al.-- The only place I can find an
> >> translation is in Carlos
> >> Lenkersdorf's Spanish-Tojolab'al dictionary.
> >> Lenkersdorf has gone
> >> beyond the usual dictionary by not limiting
> himself
> >> to words in
> >> common usage but trying to find (or create)
> >> Tojolab'al expressions
> >> that more or less match the meanings of commonly
> >> used Spanish words.
> >> His equivalents are:
> >>
> >>      honestidad; stojolil
> >>      honesto/a; tojol
> >>      Hombre honesto; tojol winik
> >>      Su conducta no es honesta; mi tojuk la smodo
> >> 'i.
> >>
> >> The root in all these is "toj" and Kaufman's
> >> Etymological Dictionary
> >> (FAMSI) glosses this as "straight," and the
> entries
> >> across the family
> >> cover the range of "straight, correct, right,
> good,
> >> true, just."
> >> Probably as close as you can get.
> >>
> >> Nick Hopkins
> >> Tojol Winik
> >>
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