[Aztlan] Who is the Bolon Yokte'?

Sat Dec 22 06:06:47 CST 2007

Carl callaway asked

>   Who is the Bolon Yokte’?

> scribes quote his
> name twice on page sixty of the Dresden Codex (see
> glyph block C1 no page 60a and glyph block D1 on
> 60b). 

Although the glyph that ID's this person appears to be
the same, the entity below has two different styles of
clothing and headdresses.
In the ope, there is a blazing sun with four little
ones surounding it.
All encased in fire dots.  Under the entities feet is
a symbol that VIllacorte says is on 23-B. Here the
text includes a moon element that may indicate an
eclipse (the deer haunch tied up) just after a three
fire bone.

Over the second (D-1 60-B) the compllimentary C-1
begins again with a sun but this time, it is green
(that may indicate a NEW sun or just the color of the
sun during a volcanic fire display). The second glyph
D-2 indicates a flying motion (to C-2) but D-3 is the
earth.

The bound captive is interesting since I ran into
Karen Bassie's Paddler Gods. A quote from Paul and
Paul is as follows:

******The notion that the looped cord over G-III's
nose was used to drill fire, and that it was also a
reference to the sparks created by a meteor may
explain a Tzíutujil belief about babies that are born
with their umbilical cords ^^^^looped around their
shoulder or neck.^^^^ This is viewed as a sign that
the child's spirit is a meteor (Paul and Paul
1975:709).***********

So with all the fiery dots and the bird headdress
coupled with the "serpent" feathers on top of the
entity at 60 B underneath the moving/flying element
over the earth, we may have a meteor not a humanoid
prisoner.

The serpent throne is probably the year (serpent) god.

58 shows not only the beginning of the "blazing sun
with four little ones" here identified as the Venus
glyph face, but also shows the unknown glyph in the
upper right that appears to be a water inundating a
person's head.

On page 61 the left side of the text has many fire
dotted glyphs  and a sun glyph that ends with a sun in
the eye of the Macaw (Seven Macaw of the Popol Vuy?) 
Snaggle tooth on top of one serpent is probably a sun
element here because the other serpent carries the
rabbit of the moon.

Knorozov's p. 68 of the Dresden (D39 in Villacorte)
shows the double fire torches A1, the flooding by the
"anciencia of the moon" goddess, The planet overhead
with the rain elements falling and on the bottom in
C-1 are two eclipses, one of the moon and the other of
the sun with the appropriate planets shown.

The D-68 in the Forstemann Edition shows the revolving
 (figure 8 glyph) day/night, more than just blue. Is
the blue a nighttime sky here? The star mantle of the
monkey in A-3 shows many stars and over his head is
another double eclipse.

With all the sky implications, are we looking for a
returning meteor? or just a minor colorful display of
another exploding nova?  

Dea

> of page 60). In the former picture, he is charging
> toward God N? with spear-thrower raised  as if to
> strike (a prelude to the falling of the sky and
> earth via the destruction of the Bacabs?) while in
> the latter picture he presents a bound captive
> before a god? who sits or rides atop a serpent
> throne. Why is the Bolon Yokte' being
>  depicted here? What is his purpose? Are there any
> more depictions of him within the corpus? I think a
> few of these questions can be partially answered by
> asking “Where in time is the Bolon Yokte’ on page
> 60?”
> 
>   It is significant that page 60 is sandwiched
> between two pages explicitly quoting pre-Era Day
> events-pages 58 and 61. The far right side of page
> 58 explicitly records two dates occurring BEFORE the
> Era date on 4 Ajaw 8 Kumk’u on the day 13 Muluk (13
> flood?). These two days are calculated from the
> “Ring Number” located at the bottom of page 68. By
> my reckoning, these two Era events are
> 12.19.10.18.09 13 Muluk 2 Zak and 12.19.19.05.09 13
> Muluk 17 Sek. The event stated is 819 day Count verb
> and is in essence recording the position of a whole
> lot of gods one of them being K’awiil?
> 
>   Page 59, continues the scribal obsession with
> calculating the 13 Muluk Calendar date. Again and
> again, he calculates what seems to be an infinite
> variety of 13 Muluk days. Why is he doing this?
> Could he be tabulating possible “flood” days?
> 
>   Page 61 falls directly after the Bolon Yokte’
> portraits and events. Page 61 is one of three
> Serpent number pages that records a whole bunch of
> pre-Era and Era day events, namely the ‘PATAJ’ or
> the ‘making’ of time periods, Pawahtun/Bacab gods,
> and the number twenty (see page 61, section 1, glyph
> blocks A1-B10). On Era Day, the scribe notes that
> these time periods “enter water” and it is
> hypothesized that the serpents could represent
> animated aspects of flowing water (five
> serpents/five floods???). At this point, it is any
> ones guess what is going on.
> 
>   OK, back to page 60 and the Bolon Yokte’. I think
> there is a good chance that page 60 is recording Era
> Day or Pre Era day events. Not only does page 60
> occur between pages quoting creation events, but
> glyph blocks A1 and B1 on page 60 look as if they
> record the Era Day 4 Ajaw 8 Kumk’u. A look at high
> resolution scans of the Forstemann Edition of the
> Dresden Codex verifies in my mind that yes indeedy,
> block B1 is the day 8 Kumk’u. Also, the text is
> recorded on a solid BLUE background. When the
> Dresden scribe records a day or a passage on a BLUE
> background, he seems to be tagging that event as
> occurring in pre Era time (see page 69, 61[with the
> 9 KAN 12 Kayab date that falls 34,000 years into the
> past!], and page 58 for other passages on a blue
> background) or perhaps he wants to make some
> connection between blue and all the water
> events-Quien Sabe?
> 
>   If page 60 is recording pre-Era events, then this
> observation would agree nicely with his appearance
> on the Vase of the 7 and 11 Gods during the Era Day
> events. He appears again at the end of the 13 the
> Baktun in the year 2012 because as the Chilam Balam
> state “What has happened in the past Katun will
> happen in the future Katun.” The god seems to play
> an active role in the destruction and reorganization
> of cosmic forces just before and on Era day. Just
> who is the Bolon Yokte’ is, and his what is his
> function, and what force he defeats and subdues, can
> be determined perhaps by noting where else he
> appears in the corpus.
> 
>   If any of you know where else the Bolon Yokte’ is
> represented, I’d certainly like to know. Every bit
> of evidence found, will allow us to reconstruct his
> character and to provide a proper reception for him
> when he returns ;-). I don’t think he will be
> looking for Santa’s milk and cookies.
> 
>   Best,
> 
>    Carl Callaway
> 
> Barb MacLeod <bmacleod at austin.rr.com> wrote: I did a
> quick review of the posts featuring 2012 per Dave's
> suggestion, and
> would recommend that anyone wanting the scoop on
> 2012 do the same. The
> point-counterpoint between John Major Jenkins and
> Lloyd Anderson is very
> useful vis-a-vis the astronomy, and Christian
> Prager's and Dave Stuart's
> input on Bolon Yokte' and Tortuguero 6 is also
> extremely pertinent.
> 
> Shouldn't we be asking--or speculating
> merrily--about why this deity is so
> important to the 13.0.0.0.0 period ending? If he's
> about to 'descend' then
> where is he now, and where's he gonna descend to?
> Shouldn't we be more
> attentive to what happened the last time? Howzabout
> an on-list review of the
> text of the Vase of the Seven Gods? Why is the verb
> tzak-aj 'line up'/count
> present? Who are all those gods, and what's God L's
> role in this brouhaha?
> And then, what about the various creation texts on
> the stone monuments which
> reference the changing of the hearth at the bak'tun
> ending? What's that
> about, and is it a forerunner of the Wayeb rituals
> described by Landa (toss
> the old crockery and hearthstones and get new ones)?
> What about Quirigua
> Stela C? Who are those gods, really, and what are
> they up to?
> 
> It seems to me that if we are really concerned with
> what the ancient Maya
> expected to happen in 2012, we ought to be
> attempting to correlate the
> various 4 Ajaw 8 Kumk'u events and make some sense
> of it all. Aztlan seems
> the perfect venue. Now, as the winter solstice and
> the new year approach and
> we are poised to enter the final jo'tun of the great
> cycle--seems the
> perfect time.
> 
> 
> Barb MacLeod
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> --- Henry Avila  wrote:
> 
> > Somebody asked me a question about the already
> > popular 2012 maya
> > predictions, and I would like to know if somebody
> > knows scientific
> > information that could refute all the
> misconception
> > about the maya
> > profecies.
> 
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