[Aztlan] SPAM:******** Re: Tigre frijolillo thought

[Carlos Rodrigo Blanco]

I am not sure that I'm not  missunderstanding the 
discussion, but, when I was at Villahermosa, Mexico, I 
visited the zoo where I saw an impressive black jaguar. I 
can't remember well, but I think that it was claimed that 
the animal came from Mesoamerica.

Carlos

  > Hi Beatrice:
> I cannot make any comments about "black panther" possibilities, but there
> are and were black jaguars in Mesoamerica.  In reality their coats have the
> same flowerlet splotchy pattern, but their overall coats are very dark.
> View the link I am posting here to see a black jaguar.  It is necessary to
> go halfway done the page until you get to the title social system and
> communication:  http://www.bigcatrescue.org/jaguar.htm
>
> Here is another, but you can barely see the pattern underneath the black,
> but it is there.
>
> Elaine
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Beatrice Koch" <beakoch at juno.com>
> To: <jorgepl at estudioelias.com>; <nhopkins at mailer.fsu.edu>
> Cc: <aztlan at lists.famsi.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 11:01 PM
> Subject: [Aztlan] Tigre frijolillo thought
>
>
>> I wonder.  The Maya were certainly observant and used their language
>> meaningfully to descibe what they saw.
>> I grew up in Boulder, Colorado, and knew early about what we called
>> "pumas" or "mountain lions" and  they are also called "panthers."
>> Sometime later in life I heard of "black panthers" but know little about
>> their habitat.  Back in Boulder, the big cats frengueting our
>> neighborhoods from the front range of the Rockies do persist in growing
>> numbers, but they aren't black.
>>
>> Having read both of your missives, I think this may be simply a black
>> panther.  It that possible?
>>
>> Does anyone know enough about these animals to shed some additional light
>> on that possi ility?
>>
>> On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 12:08:33 -0600 =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_P=E9rez_de_Lara?=
>> <jorgepl at estudioelias.com> writes:
>>> Listeros,
>>>
>>> I may have an explanation for part of Nick Hopkins' recent
>>> contribution,
>>> in which he (sort of) wonders:
>>>
>>> ..."tigre frijolillo," whatever cat that is...
>>>
>>> Although it would translate as "tiger" and therefore would be
>>> taxonomically incorrect, "tigre" is a well-known term for jaguar in
>>> much
>>> of Southern Mexico, while "frijolillo" is used much in the way of
>>> the
>>> colloquial "colorado," which literally means "colored" but is used
>>> in
>>> reference to the color red. Likewise "frijolillo" is a reference to
>>> the
>>> color of beans (i.e., frijoles) and is used to refer to black
>>> things.
>>> Hence "tigre frijolillo" is a popular/colloquial way of saying
>>> "black
>>> jaguar".
>>>
>>> Jorge
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