[Aztlan] FW: Re: Tigre frijolillo thought

Tue Feb 13 09:25:55 CST 2007

Listeros,

I thought this an excellent time to point out an online resource for all
things animal-related.  The University of Michigan Museum of Zoology
maintains an impressively robust, freely accessible online database) of the
kingdom animalia (animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu.  A quick search for
‘jaguar’ there provided the following bit in the physical description
section:

 “Jaguars are tan with black rings and dots. It is also common for a jaguar
to be completely black.”  

For specifically Mexican mammals, I would recommend - 

Ceballos, Gerardo, y Gisselle Oliva, coordinadores 

2005     Los Mamíferos Silvestres de México. Comisión Nacional para
Conocimiento y Uso de la Bioversidad y Fondo de Cultura Económica, México,
2005).

Bryan

Bryan R. Just, Ph.D.

Curatorial Assistant, Art of the Americas

Princeton University Art Museum

-----Original Message-----
From: aztlan-bounces at lists.famsi.org [mailto:aztlan-bounces at lists.famsi.org]
On Behalf Of Carlos Rodrigo Blanco
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 9:42 AM
To: Elaine Day Schele
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Subject: Re: [Aztlan] SPAM:******** Re: Tigre frijolillo thought

I am not sure that I'm not  missunderstanding the 

discussion, but, when I was at Villahermosa, Mexico, I 

visited the zoo where I saw an impressive black jaguar. I 

can't remember well, but I think that it was claimed that 

the animal came from Mesoamerica.

Carlos

  > Hi Beatrice:

> I cannot make any comments about "black panther" possibilities, but there

> are and were black jaguars in Mesoamerica.  In reality their coats have
the

> same flowerlet splotchy pattern, but their overall coats are very dark.

> View the link I am posting here to see a black jaguar.  It is necessary to

> go halfway done the page until you get to the title social system and

> communication:  http://www.bigcatrescue.org/jaguar.htm

>

> Here is another, but you can barely see the pattern underneath the black,

> but it is there.

>

> Elaine

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "Beatrice Koch" <beakoch at juno.com>

> To: <jorgepl at estudioelias.com>; <nhopkins at mailer.fsu.edu>

> Cc: <aztlan at lists.famsi.org>

> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 11:01 PM

> Subject: [Aztlan] Tigre frijolillo thought

>

>

>> I wonder.  The Maya were certainly observant and used their language

>> meaningfully to descibe what they saw.

>> I grew up in Boulder, Colorado, and knew early about what we called

>> "pumas" or "mountain lions" and  they are also called "panthers."

>> Sometime later in life I heard of "black panthers" but know little about

>> their habitat.  Back in Boulder, the big cats frengueting our

>> neighborhoods from the front range of the Rockies do persist in growing

>> numbers, but they aren't black.

>>

>> Having read both of your missives, I think this may be simply a black

>> panther.  It that possible?

>>

>> Does anyone know enough about these animals to shed some additional light

>> on that possi ility?

>>

>> On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 12:08:33 -0600 =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_P=E9rez_de_Lara?=

>> <jorgepl at estudioelias.com> writes:

>>> Listeros,

>>>

>>> I may have an explanation for part of Nick Hopkins' recent

>>> contribution,

>>> in which he (sort of) wonders:

>>>

>>> ..."tigre frijolillo," whatever cat that is...

>>>

>>> Although it would translate as "tiger" and therefore would be

>>> taxonomically incorrect, "tigre" is a well-known term for jaguar in

>>> much

>>> of Southern Mexico, while "frijolillo" is used much in the way of

>>> the

>>> colloquial "colorado," which literally means "colored" but is used

>>> in

>>> reference to the color red. Likewise "frijolillo" is a reference to

>>> the

>>> color of beans (i.e., frijoles) and is used to refer to black

>>> things.

>>> Hence "tigre frijolillo" is a popular/colloquial way of saying

>>> "black

>>> jaguar".

>>>

>>> Jorge

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