[Aztlan] Re Subject: New terminology - Ik' B'ul (was Black Jaguars)

[Michael J. Fitzpatrick]

 Might "black bean" refer to cacao beans, which are sometimes a very dark,
almost blackish brown color?


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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 07:57:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Mike McBride <yaxchilan1 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Aztlan] New terminology - Ik' B'ul  (was Black Jaguars)
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Interesting to see how my original post concerning a translation for Ik'
B'olay, the Fer-de-lance, has taken off in some very interesting threads. A
good comment on the varied interests and expertise of this list.
The underlying reason I originally posted the question was my ongoing
interest in a character, Ik' B'ul, that shows up on many Ik' Site ceramic
vases. This
person(?) is usually in the name sting of the Fat Cacique, whose titles
include (among others) Yajaw-te'
K'inich U-chan Ik' B'ul. Roughly, Great Sun Tree/Lineage Lord, the
Captor/Protector (of) Ik' B'ul (Black Bean).

When I first heard the term Ik' B'olay at the recent Tulane Maya Conference
I immediately wondered if there was a linguistic connection between the 2
terms.
Reason being that the literal translation of Ik' B'ul (Black Bean) seemed
strange for a supposedly high-ranking captive or protected person.  Hence my
question if the words B'ul and B'olay have linguistic similarities.

Any input of who Ik' B'ul may have been - does this name show up any where
else? Or differences in translations are most appreciated.
Thanks