[Aztlan] Ballgame questions

[Lalo]

With no authority other than intuition and observation, I think your 
question is on the mark.  It is precisely the question I wanted to ask when 
I saw Mr. Fisher's posting.  We always hear about "the Mesoamerican" 
ballgame, yet there are so many ballcourts in so many places from so many 
different epochs and cultures.  Was the ballgame in what is now Arizona the 
same as the ballgame in Tula or in the many other places and times?

I look forward to any responses from a previous posting about the "I" shape. 
It is also interesting that the ballcourts vary so greatly in size, 
particularly when we so regularly describe sizes and distances relative to 
the fixed dimensions of a football field.

Ed Dawson


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bertrand Lobjois" <blobjois at gmail.com>
To: "Craig" <madman2001madman at yahoo.com>
Cc: <aztlan at lists.famsi.org>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Aztlan] Ballgame questions


Una pregunta pragmatica ? Existia una sola forma de juego de pelota ? De
acuerdo con la forma del terreno, las reglas deberian ser diferentes, asi
como el tamaño de la pelota?

What do you think about this ?

Bertrand Lobjois
Universidad de Monterrey

2007/11/15, Craig <madman2001madman at yahoo.com>:
>
> Listeros:
>
>   I have been researching the Mesoamerican ballgame and I have 2 questions
> that don't seem to be directly addressed by published research.
>
>   -> What is the purpose of the "wings" (to coin a word) in the I-shaped
> ballcourt endzones?  It's hard to envision a situation where the ball 
> would
> enter the wings of the end-zone -- and if it did, it would seem unlikely 
> the
> defending team would be able to return it.  And yet it seems that most
> Classic era ballcourts featured these wings.
>
>   -> Based on the huge size of the balls in some Maya works (e.g. Kerr's
> fine oft-reprinted photo of the Dallas vase), some authors (e.g. Heather
> Orr) state that "some scholars propose . . . " that these balls really 
> were
> that large but were hollow.  It seems instead that most researchers 
> consider
> such images to be an "exaggeration" (to quote M Coe).  Has any serious
> researcher ever seriously suggested (as opposed to "wondering" or
> "speculating") that the Maya used large hollow balls on occasion??
>
>   Thanks in advance for any help,
>   Craig Fisher
>
>
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