[Aztlan] El Salvador - Nahuas

[nhopkins at mailer.fsu.edu]

It was clearly a mistake to include an old message of mine in the 
posting, but for the record I would like to dissassociate myself from 
the claim that Nahuas were in Central America--or even Mesoamerica!--as 
early as 3000 BC. Nick Hopkins

Quoting Larry Poulsen <poulsen at mail.utexas.edu>:

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Poulsen" <poulsen at mail.utexas.edu>
> To: "Heather Hess" <heatherhess at hotmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 3:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [Aztlan] El Salvador - Nahuas
>
>
>> Nahua in Mesoamerica in 3000 BC? You state citation needed. Do you have
>> any data to substantiate this claim. I am very interested in the origin of
>> the Nahatl language. The Aztec legends imply that the Aztecs were
>> returning from the north rather than coming south for the first time. I
>> have read that the Uto-nahuatl language originated in Utah-Arizona but if
>> the Aztecs were returning and spoke nahuatl was this their original
>> language or were their ancestors responsible for carrying the language
>> north from a mesoamerican cultural origin?
>>
>> Larry P
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Heather Hess" <heatherhess at hotmail.com>
>> To: <aztlan at lists.famsi.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 10:58 AM
>> Subject: [Aztlan] El Salvador - Nahuas
>>
>>
>>>
>>> The prehistoric and modern Pipil are from at least three separate
>>> cultural and language groups that were loosely joined by conquest and
>>> later by culture [citation needed]. The earliest, a subgroup of a nomadic
>>> people known as the Nahua, migrated into Central America about 3000 B.C.
>>> [citation needed] The Nahua later came under the influence of Maya
>>> culture, perhaps through immigration and conquest. Ruins of limestone
>>> pyramids built by the Maya between A.D. 100 and 1000 are found in western
>>> El Salvador. Maya culture and language dominated this area of Mesoamerica
>>> until the ninth century A.D. Nahua/Maya civilization did not achieve the
>>> complexity found in the Maya heartland in Mexico and Guatemala, but
>>> appears to have been vital on a smaller scale [citation needed].> Date:
>>> Tue, 2 Oct 2007 07:59:09 -0400> From: nhopkins at mailer.fsu.edu> To:
>>> aztlan at lists.famsi.org> Subject: [Aztlan] Achiote> > Two comments: First,
>>> the quote says it's CAL (i.e., lime), not > achiote, that's used to!
>>>  kick up the coca, like it's used in Chiapas > with the tobacco that is
>>> chewed. It helps release the alcaloids. > Second, achiote is used as a
>>> pigment, as the quote says, and it is also > used as a body pigment,
>>> which (IMHO) is why we have RED INDIANS; the > Caribbean Indians were
>>> using it as a body paint; it's also said to be > an insect repellent.> >
>>> Nick Hopkins>
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