[Aztlan] Fw: El Salvador - Nahuas

[Larry Poulsen]

If the Aztecs did not arrive in Mexico until the 12th century, who were those who were speaking nahuatl in Mexico and how long had they been speaking it before the Pipil migration started in 800 CE? How far back did nahuatl speakers exist in Mexico?

Larry P


--- Original Message ----- 
  From: Miguel Covarrubias 
  To: Larry Poulsen 
  Cc: Aztlan 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 5:27 PM
  Subject: Re: [Aztlan] Fw: El Salvador - Nahuas


  According to Wlliam Fowler (1989:95) Pipil migration begun in 800 A.D. and established in El Salvador until 900 A.D.

  Fowler, William R.
    1989  "Nuevas perspecivas sobre las migraciones de los pipiles y nicaraos"
              Revista de la Dirección de Arqueología del Instituto Nacional de Antropología e Historia,
              Segunda Epoca, No.1:89-98.
              INAH, Mexico.

   
  2007/10/9, Larry Poulsen <poulsen at mail.utexas.edu>: 

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Larry Poulsen" < poulsen at mail.utexas.edu>
    To: "Heather Hess" <heatherhess at hotmail.com>
    Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 3:22 PM
    Subject: Re: [Aztlan] El Salvador - Nahuas 


    > Nahua in Mesoamerica in 3000 BC? You state citation needed. Do you have
    > any data to substantiate this claim. I am very interested in the origin of
    > the Nahatl language. The Aztec legends imply that the Aztecs were 
    > returning from the north rather than coming south for the first time. I
    > have read that the Uto-nahuatl language originated in Utah-Arizona but if
    > the Aztecs were returning and spoke nahuatl was this their original 
    > language or were their ancestors responsible for carrying the language
    > north from a mesoamerican cultural origin?
    >
    > Larry P
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "Heather Hess" < heatherhess at hotmail.com>
    > To: <aztlan at lists.famsi.org>
    > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 10:58 AM
    > Subject: [Aztlan] El Salvador - Nahuas 
    >
    >
    >>
    >> The prehistoric and modern Pipil are from at least three separate
    >> cultural and language groups that were loosely joined by conquest and
    >> later by culture [citation needed]. The earliest, a subgroup of a nomadic 
    >> people known as the Nahua, migrated into Central America about 3000 B.C.
    >> [citation needed] The Nahua later came under the influence of Maya
    >> culture, perhaps through immigration and conquest. Ruins of limestone 
    >> pyramids built by the Maya between A.D. 100 and 1000 are found in western
    >> El Salvador. Maya culture and language dominated this area of Mesoamerica
    >> until the ninth century A.D. Nahua/Maya civilization did not achieve the 
    >> complexity found in the Maya heartland in Mexico and Guatemala, but
    >> appears to have been vital on a smaller scale [citation needed].> Date:
    >> Tue, 2 Oct 2007 07:59:09 -0400> From: nhopkins at mailer.fsu.edu> To:
    >> aztlan at lists.famsi.org> Subject: [Aztlan] Achiote> > Two comments: First,
    >> the quote says it's CAL ( i.e., lime), not > achiote, that's used to!
    >>  kick up the coca, like it's used in Chiapas > with the tobacco that is
    >> chewed. It helps release the alcaloids. > Second, achiote is used as a 
    >> pigment, as the quote says, and it is also > used as a body pigment,
    >> which (IMHO) is why we have RED INDIANS; the > Caribbean Indians were
    >> using it as a body paint; it's also said to be > an insect repellent.> > 
    >> Nick Hopkins>
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