[Aztlan] Fw: Aztlan

[Antonio Aimi]

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From: Antonio Aimi 
To: huehueteot at aol.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Aztlan] Aztlan


Hola Hugh,
the expedition to Aztlan was ordered by Motecuhzoma I (Motecuhzoma Ilhuicamina) following the suggestions of Tlacaelel. 
You can find all in the sources which come from the Cronica X.
It was clearly a mythical expedition.
I deal with this theme in my book: La "vera" visione dei vinti: la conquista del Messico nelle fonti azteche, Bulzoni, Rome, 2002.
If you cannot read Italian or cannot find the book, next year there should a Spanish edition.
Yours
Antonio Aimi


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Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Aztlan] Aztlan


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> Fritz and Everybody else:
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> Isn't it a little hard to say exactly what Moctezuma II was doing with the expedition to Aztlan since they (those in charge of the Empire) had just rewritten the history of the "Aztecs" to fit with their current situation.? There was supposed to be a quote from Tlacaielel (sp?) about this just before he left for Oacaca to supervise the Empiric ambitions from there about the destruction of the previous histories because they would just confuse ordinary folks.? I am not exactly sure where this quote is though.? Anyway you play it, though, Aztlan, and Chicomoztoc? were symbolic stepping stones that, in part,?allowed the Aztecs to?pursue a claim for the overlordship of the Mesoamerican Realm not real history.
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> Cheers,
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> Hugh G. "Sam" Ball
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> And remember:
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> "This too Shall Pass!
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> From: John F. Schwaller <schwallr at potsdam.edu>
> To: aztlan at lists.famsi.org
> Sent: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 7:49 pm
> Subject: Re: [Aztlan] Aztlan
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>> If Aztlan was an imaginary place, this were not even known by the Aztecs,
>> and proof of that is, that the emperor himself Moctezuma II (correct me if
>> Im wrong) sent an expedition to locate such place.
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> What Henry write is, of course correct.  But just because the Mexica
> believed it existed does not necessarily mean that it is true.  There is a
> line that exists between widely held beliefs and what serious scholars
> accept as true.  In this case, Aztlan was a powerful image in Nahua and
> Mexica thought  but the consensus of opinion among scholars of the field
> is there is no credible evidence that such a place really existed.
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> John F. Schwaller
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