[Aztlan] venus dog lord xolotl

[Marcos Villaseñor]

Has anyone been able to determine the date of the begining of the  
Fifth Sun?



On Sep 5, 2007, at 11:41 PM, martha noyes wrote:

> I wanted to floow up on the Venus Dog Lord question I had and the  
> answers several of you helped with.
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> I found Franke Neumann's "The Dragon and the Dog: Two Symbols of  
> Time in Nahuatl Religion," in Numen, Vol. XXII, 1975 in which he  
> talks about Xolotl and Venus at the time of the creation of the  
> fifth sun.
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> In order to make the new sun begin to move, each of the gods  
> (planets) had to die.  Xolotl, the dog form of the twin brother of  
> Venus, was the last to die.  Quetzalcoatl takes the form of Xolotl  
> and goes to the underworld where he retrieves human bones from  
> which to make humankind again.   Neumann wrote:  “Quetzal-coatl may  
> also be translated as ‘precious twin.’  This indicates that the  
> morning and evening star are one and the same: the planet Venus,  
> represented in the morning by Quetzalcoatl and in the evening by  
> his twin brother, Xolotl . . . Xolotl is closely connected with the  
> underworld and the dead.”
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> He went on to say that although Xolotl is sometimes represented as  
> whole dog, but that more often as the head of a dog with his ears  
> eaten away.
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