[Aztlan] WikiProject Mesoamerica

[John Major Jenkins]

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From: John Major Jenkins [mailto:kahib at ix.netcom.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:00 AM
To: 'GEOFF STRAY'
Cc: 'aztlan at lists.famsi.org'
Subject: RE: [Aztlan] WikiProject Mesoamerica

Geoff,

Interesting. If you decide to enter Wik world to attempt to accomplish
this seemingly reasonable addition, there are other source besides the
one you mentioned:

Gillespie and Joyce (in Ancient Mesoamerica):

"As more Classic-period occurrences of the name Bolon Yokte are found,
we will better understand his symbolic referents and relationships. For
example, the name appears on Tortuguero Monument 6 in the context of a
future event, the end of the current Great Cycle that began on 4 Ahau 8
Cumku" (Gillespie and Joyce, 1998:291 n. 16).

Also in Houston and Stuart (1996:301 n. 7), Antiquity, Volume 70:

    "One of the gods at La Mar, Bolon yokte K'u, plays a role in many
texts, but the most enigmatic completes the inscription of Monument 6
from Tortuguero, Mexico. Here is recorded a calendrical event in the
early 21st century AD, at which time, apparently, the god may 'descend'
ye-ma, y-emal (there are some technical problems with this translation).
The reference is notable for its uniqueness. Prophecy forms an important
body of colonial literature but is poorly represented in classic Maya
texts, where future statements relate almost exclusively to impersonal
events that are safely predictable (e.g., the 13 baktuns will be
finished at 13.0.0.0.0 in the Maya Long Count)."

Sven Gronmeyer's Master's thesis: Tortuguero, Tabasco, Mexico: History
of a Classic Maya Site as known from its Inscriptions. Master's thesis
(Tutor: Prof. Dr. Berthold Riese) finished in 2004. The original thesis
can be downloaded for € 69,90 at Hausarbeiten.de (ISBN: 3-638476-53-7).
Website for Sven: http://www.sven-gronemeyer.de/

Journal of the Book of Mormon Studies, Maxwell Institute, BYU, 2000,
Volume 9, Issue 1.: http://farms.byu.edu/display.php?table=jbms&id=216

These sources are collected and discussed in my article "Comments on the
2012 text on Tortuguero Monument 6 and Bolon Yokte K'u" May, 2006.

John Major Jenkins
http://Alignment2012.com





-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:aztlan-bounces at lists.famsi.org] On Behalf Of GEOFF STRAY
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 7:22 PM
To: aztlan at lists.famsi.org
Subject: [Aztlan] WikiProject Mesoamerica

I edited the Wiki Mesoamerican calendars page to
include the translation of Tortuguero Monument 6,
(with its 2012 prophecy)  but the editors informed me
that my entry was disallowed, since the reference to a
discussion group was not an acceptable reference. This
allowed the page to preserve its position of there
being no evidence for a Maya interest in 2012.

When I get round to it, I'd like to add it using the
hard-copy reference of the conference proceedings of
the Maya Hieroglyphic Workshop on "Palenque and Its
Neighbors" at the University of Texas-Austin on March
9-10, 2002 (pp. 112-113) by Nikolai Grube, Simon
Martin, and Marc Zender, unless nyone else with more
time and internet accesss cares to do it.

Geoff
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-----Original Message-----
From: aztlan-bounces at lists.famsi.org
[mailto:aztlan-bounces at lists.famsi.org] On Behalf Of GEOFF STRAY
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 7:22 PM
To: aztlan at lists.famsi.org
Subject: [Aztlan] WikiProject Mesoamerica

I edited the Wiki Mesoamerican calendars page to
include the translation of Tortuguero Monument 6,
(with its 2012 prophecy)  but the editors informed me
that my entry was disallowed, since the reference to a
discussion group was not an acceptable reference. This
allowed the page to preserve its position of there
being no evidence for a Maya interest in 2012.

When I get round to it, I'd like to add it using the
hard-copy reference of the conference proceedings of
the Maya Hieroglyphic Workshop on "Palenque and Its
Neighbors" at the University of Texas-Austin on March
9-10, 2002 (pp. 112-113) by Nikolai Grube, Simon
Martin, and Marc Zender, unless nyone else with more
time and internet accesss cares to do it.

Geoff
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