[Aztlan] The four world ages of the Aztec and the Aztec Calendar Stone

[Bertrand Lobjois]

Hi Carl and listeros !!!

There's a problem about the Aztec Calendar Stone. You can observe five eras
on this calendar, not four. 4 Ollin was the last one and it is in the center
of the calendar. Look carefully around this 4 ollin sign, you'll see the
glyphs for the 4 former ages...
About the Aztec conceptions of time, let me recommend you Michel Graulich's
publications about the Aztec religion and counting system :


   -

   « Les Eres ou Soleils des Anciens Mésoaméricains ». *In Indiana*, Band
   8, Gedenkschrift für Walter Lehmann, Teil 3, p. 41-56, 1983.
   - Myths of Ancient Mexico, University of Oklahoma Press, 1997.
   - Look for Arqueologia Mexicana, # 41, p. 34

You'll change your way of thinking then. ;)

Bertrand Lobjois
Universidad de Monterrey


2008/1/19, Carl callaway <ahchich1 en yahoo.com>:
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> Dear Friends,
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> I have a question concerning the possible span of a world age as
> numerically recorded on the Aztec Calendar Stone. Gorden Brotherston in his
> Book of the Forth World (see his fig. 54 and pages 298-299) believes that
> the Aztec scribes encoded mathematically the time spans of world ages into
> the stone  via the  "mixcoa"  or cloud serpents that frame the  outer  rim
> of the  great stone.  I am not an  Aztec scholar so I can  not  refute or
> verify his  interpretation.  I hope  those of you who are familiar
> with  Aztec  signs and iconography can tell me if his reading is at least
> plausible.
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> Here is what he writes on page 299 of the work:
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> "Just as the Era Four Ollin visually frames the proceeding four world ages
> at the center of the sunstone, so its length is recorded on the rim as we
> saw, in ten lots of ten Rounds imaged as cloud-snakes that issue from the
> squared scales of sky dragons to right and left. Now as we noted above, the
> heads peering from the dragons' maws below belong respectively to Fire Lord
> (left) and the Sun (right), who are One and Four in the set of thirteen
> Heroes. Hence, each endows its dragon and the Rounds on its back with number
> value, a capacity they and others among them display, for example, in the
> Pinturas transcription of the world-age story. As One, Fire Lord simply
> confirms the 5,200-year total; as Four, Sun multiples it to 20,800 to the
> remaining four-fifths of the Great Year [26,000 years]. Hence:
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> 1x10x10x52=5,200
> 4x10x10x52=20,800
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>                     26,000
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> In the Cuauhtitlan Annals transcription of the Sunstone cosmogony, the
> four-fifths of the Great Year is noted as "CCCCC mixcoa," that is, four
> hundred cloud-snake rounds."
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> My questions are this:
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> Do the Fire Lord and the Sun God have numerical equivalents of 1 and 4?
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> Are the 10 glyphs bordered by ten dots on the backs of the Serpents
> glyphs/names for the 52 year period?
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> Where else in Aztec lit. is it mentioned that the so called cloud serpents
> manifest or are seen as representing a world Era?
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> Finally is Gorden Brotherston still amongst the living so I might ask him
> directly?
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> IF GB is correct, then I believe there are are interesting parallels that
> can be  made to the art, numerology and iconography of other MesoAmerican
> cultures.
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> I look forward to your answers.
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> Carl Callaway
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