[Aztlan] Chichen Cenote

[Robert Connolly]

Assuming that Mike is not trolling for some controversy, and given that the
Aztlan list invites both professional and avocational folks with interests
in Mesoamerican studies, we might consider being a bit less dismissive and
more supportive of questions  that seemingly simplistic or poorly informed.

Best,

Robert Connolly
Dept. of Anthropology
University of Memphis


On 1/30/08 2:40 PM, "Justin Kerr" <mayavase at verizon.net> wrote:

> It is hard to believe a question such as this when evidence has been
> produced to show that human sacrifice was practiced during the classic
> period, long before any so-called "Toltec" invasion.
> The images on classic period vases of human sacrifice are there for anyone
> to see, but I admit one must take time to look at them.
> Justin Kerr 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aztlan-bounces at lists.famsi.org [mailto:aztlan-bounces at lists.famsi.org]
> On Behalf Of Mike Geubel
> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 3:19 PM
> To: Matthias Gorissen
> Cc: aztlan at lists.famsi.org
> Subject: Re: [Aztlan] Chichen Cenote
> 
> Is it true that human sacrifice was introduced to the Mayans by the Toltecs,
> and that before the
> introduction by the Toltecs the Mayans only sacrificed animals and engaged
> into bloodletting ceremonies?
> 
> Kind regards,
> Mike
> 
> 2008/1/30, Matthias Gorissen <siquame at web.de>:
>> 
>> Anna had quite a few good points here - data from the "Landa idolatry
>> trials"
>> should not be cited as hard evidence. As far as I recall, evidence for
>> child-sacrifice propped up only AFTER the Franscicans were informed of
>> Toral's arrival, but not in the extensive investigations conducted before.
>> The point here is not if Landa has made up some evidence on prehispanic
>> customs (when human sacrifice certainly existed) - the point here is if
>> this
>> custom really extendend into Early Colonial times.
>> Tedlock also pointed out that descriptions of child-sacrifice in Yucatan
>> were
>> much too close to accusations leveled against Jews in Spain at the same
>> time - kind of a larger cultural pattern behind it.
>> 
>> Finding myself somehow cut-off from well-stocked university libraries at
>> the
>> moment, I don't really understand your reference to Tomas Lopez Medel.
>> Unlike
>> Landa, he was a brief visitor to Maya territory, at best. He died in 1582,
>> and thus cannot have written anything in 1612 - perhaps this was the date
>> when his work got published? Are you refering to his "Tres elementos"
>> here? I
>> am not so sure if he was a Franciscan, but anyway - any hint to primary
>> sources would be wellcome.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> Matt
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