[Aztlan] Of 13s and shells

[Jorge Pérez de Lara Elías]

Commenting on JMJ's counter-examples to Lloyd's affirmation that "13  
actually appears in the Dresden, though not much elsewhere", he cites:

- Cobá (here Stela 1 is notable PRECISELY because it is a rare example  
of a 13-based chain)
- Copán (reference?)
- Vase of the Seven Lords (sic) (there are no elements on this vase  
that belong to any Long Count and certainly no reference to magnitude  
13 of any periods, so this cannot be used as a counterargument to Lloyd)
- Vase of the 13 Lords (sic) (again, no elements of a Long Count and  
no magnitudes of 13)
- Quiriguá (Stela C's 4 Ajaw 8 Kumk'u is indeed linked to 13.0.0.0.0;  
this is only the second valid example in JMJ's counterexamples)
- Palenque (in an argument, one can't have it both ways: if JMJ  
discounts the Palenque examples that do not support his argument as  
merely "political powerplays" by Pakal, he cannot bring them up to  
shore up his argument when it suits him)
-Tortuguero (this could very possibly be just a mention of the end of  
the 13th. baktun; in and of itself, it does not prove either a special  
significance of the date—beyond that of a period ending— or that there  
couldn't or wouldn't be a 14th. baktun thereafter; even more damaging  
for JMJ's broader thesis: this is the only known mention of 2012 by  
the Classic Maya).

Therefore, JMJ has yet to cite more than 2 valid examples that counter  
Lloyd's argument that "13 actually appears in the Dresden, though not  
much elsewhere". Not considering the Dresden, I'd say that 2 examples  
certainly qualifies for the statement "not much elsewhere".

Jorge Perez de Lara