[Aztlan] "Almanaque" (Almanac) Mesoamericano

Mon Jun 2 09:37:24 CDT 2008

1° Graulich states that the Mayas never had a fifth sun... The fifth sun is
an mexica creation to legitimate their "patron-god" Huitzilopochtli and
substitute Quetzalcoatl, who was still adored by other cities and tribes.

2° Like Graulich, Caso and Thompson, I think that mesoamerican tribes let
their religious calendar not correspond with the seasons calendar on
purpose. It was a good way for priests and kings to manipulate their people
and anticipate what's supposed to happen, according with the season and the
corn cycle. I resume it very quickly but have a look in the last Arqueologia
Mexicana to know more about this theory.

3°The world Tzolkin is unappropriate to talk about Central Mexico tribes
time and cosmovision. Tzolkin is a Maya word, not nahua, isn't it ?  ;-)

Bertrand LOBJOIS
Universidad de Monterrey - Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Sorbonne, Paris

2008/6/1 Edgardo Salvador Dal Molín <renehauron en gmail.com>:

> > Folks:
>
>
>
> > Rene Hauron tiene razón hasta:
>
>
>
> > En cada vuelta completa del disco con 13 divisiones alrededor del disco
> >de 20 divisiones, agregue un movimiento al disco de *365 divisiones*.
>
> > El disco de* 365 divisiones es el Haab*!!!
>
> > Este contabilizará cada una de las vueltas hasta completar *365 pasajes*
> > del disco de 13 alrededor del disco de 20.
>
> > Para cada giro completo  del disco Lunar alrededor del Sol, anote 1
> > vuelta a más hasta acabar *365*.****"
>
> > Sea que tiene razón, hay problemas con la información. Linda encontró
> "Star Wars", o sea  información sobre algo distinto con astronomía. Es una
> cosa que se nota en las cuevas de Brasil, y en las cuevas de Cuba; en los
> códices del Mixtecas; y en los del Maya y Aztecas.
>
> *> Donde esta esa información? Que pasó con el año de 360 dias?*
>
>
>
> > Dea
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dea y todas las gentes,
>
>
>
> La pregunta de Dea es muy valiosa.
>
> Los 360 días del "almanaque" (calendario mesoamericano) estará exactamente
> cuando se efectúen 360 pasajes del disco de 13 alrededor del disco de 20.
>
>
>
> Después de los 360, vendrá 361 – 362 – 363 – 364 – *365* – 001 – 002 – 003
> –
> 004….
>
> El Haab contará 4 (cuatro) revoluciones de 365 que sumará *1.460* días sin
> parar.
>
>
>
> Esos 1.460 días equivalen a la suma de 364 X 4  *1.456*
>
>
>
> Es aquí que se agregan más 5 días. 1.456 + 5  *1.460*
>
>
>
> El Tzolkín continúa realizando las combinaciones y entra en el 5to (quinto)
> Sol.
>
>
>
> En el 5to Sol el Tzolkín realiza las combinaciones hasta llegar al primer
> 13
> Ahau.
>
>
>
> En ese 13 Ahau se realiza la corrección adonde se agrega más 1 (uno) al
> Haab.
>
>
>
> Aquí la colocación de las combinaciones del Tzolkín indicará (nuevamente
> como en el principio) que el 4 en Ahau estará en el 8vo (octavo) del Ahau.
>
>
>
> *4 Ahau – 8 de Cumhú*, representa nada más y nada menos que el calendario
> está corregido correctamente y exactamente de acuerdo a los rayos solares
> que se encuentran (por el movimiento aparente) marcando el día 21 de Junio
> (Calendario Gregoriano) en su punto exacto.
>
>
>
> La retrospectiva en el Haab, indicará que se contabilizaron *1.461*.
>
>
>
> El Tzolkín continuará sin parar realizando las combinaciones de una nueva
> cuenta…
>
> Los 360 equivalen solamente a los 18 meses de 20 días de cada uno de los
> soles.
>
>
>
> Como las combinaciones del Tzolkín no paran, el Haab registrará sus
> informaciones sumando cada uno de los días subsecuentes.
>
>
>
> Realice la TABLA de las combinaciones. No existen mágicas para entenderlos.
>
>
>
> La simplicidad del mecanismo realiza exactamente todos los movimientos de
> los tres cuerpos Sol, Tierra y Luna.
>
>
>
> ¿Será que por ser muy fácil se cree que es complicado?
>
>
>
> Si cualquier listero interesado quiere recibir solamente la tabla completa,
> es solo me pedir que lo envío inmediatamente.
>
> * *
>
> *Eso le ahorrará trabajar bastante para entender el almanaque
> mesoamericano.
> *
>
> * *
>
> Abrazos a todos.
>
>
>
>
>
> *******************************************
>
>
>
> > Folks:
>
>
>
> > Rene Hauron is right until:
>
>
>
> > In each complete turn of the disk with 13 divisions around the disk of 20
> divisions, add a movement to the disk of 365 divisions.
>
>
>
> > The disk of 365 divisions is the Haab!!!
>
>
>
> > This will count each one of the turns until completing 365 passages
>
> > of the disk of 13 around the disk of 20.
>
>
>
> > For each complete turn of the Lunar disk around the Sun, write down 1
>
> > turn to more until finishing 365. * * * *"
>
> > It is that he/she is right, there are problems with the information.
> Linda
> found Star Wars", that is to say information on something different with
> astronomy. It is a thing that is noticed in the caves of Brazil, and in the
> caves of Cuba; in the codexes of the Mixtecas; and in those of the Mayan
> and
> Aztec.
>
> > Where this that information? That it spent with the year of 360 days?
>
>
>
> > Dea
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dea and all the people,
>
>
>
> The question of Dea is very valuable.
>
> The 360 days of the " almanac " (Meso-American calendar) it will be exactly
> when 360 passages of the disk of 13 are made around the disk of 20.
>
>
>
> After the 360, he/she will come 361 - 362 - 363 - 364 - 365 - 001 - 002 -
> 003 - 004….
>
> The Haab will count 4 (four) you revolutionize of 365 that it will add
> 1.460
> days without stopping.
>
>
>
> Those 1.460 days they are equal to the sum of 364 X 4  1.456
>
>
>
> It is here that they are added more 5 days. 1.456 + 5  1.460
>
>
>
> The Tzolkín continues carrying out the combinations and he/she enters in
> the
> 5to (fifth) Sun.
>
>
>
> In the 5to Sun the Tzolkín carries out the combinations until arriving to
> the first 13 Ahau.
>
>
>
> In that 13 Ahau he/she is carried out the correction where is added more 1
> (one) to the Haab.
>
>
>
> Here the placement of the combinations of the Tzolkín will indicate (again
> like in the principle) that the 4 in Ahau will be in the 8vo (eighth) of
> the
> Ahau.
>
>
>
> 4 Ahau - 8 of Cumhú, it represents nothing else and anything less than the
> calendar is corrected correctly and exactly according to the solar rays
> that
> are (for the apparent movement) marking the day 21 of June (Gregorian
> Calendar) in its exact point.
>
>
>
> The retrospective one in the Haab, will indicate that 1.461 were counted.
>
>
>
> The Tzolkín will continue without stopping carrying out the combinations of
> a new bill…
>
> The 360 are only equal to the 18 months of 20 days of each one of the suns.
>
>
>
>
> As the combinations of the Tzolkín they don't stop, the Haab will register
> its informations adding each one of the subsequent days.
>
>
>
> Carry out the CHART of the combinations. They don't exist magic to
> understand them.
>
>
>
> The simplicity of the mechanism carries out all the movements of the three
> bodies Sun, Earth and Moon exactly.
>
>
>
> Will it be that to be very easy it is believed that it is complicated?
>
>
>
> If any interested listero only wants to receive the complete chart, it is
> alone me to request that I send it immediately.
>
> That will save him to work enough to understand the Meso-American almanac.
>
>
>
> Hugs to all.
>
>
> --
> René Haurón
> Primavera - São Paulo - Brasil
> renehauron en gmail.com
> Cel: 55 - 18 - 8138 3908
> Web:
>
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