[Aztlan] The Peopling of the Americas; a reply

Sun Mar 16 13:54:14 CDT 2008

For the past 36 years, when some people start to claim African, Chinese, 
Atlantis, extraterrestrial, or Lemurian roots for Native American 
culture,  I get riled up......

 ANY genetic research done on TODAY"S indigenous population will include 
the genetic materials of African slaves, European colonizers, and Asian 
(Filipino, Chinese, etc.) sailors.

That is what makes Latin America a complex and beautiful section of 
human history.  500+ years of human history....Painful,yes, tragic,yes, 
unjust, yes,
 but the end result is forever an incredible cultural, linguistic and 
genetic pool of indescribable depth. I seriously doubt that there are a 
great many "pure" ethnic groups left in most of the Americas.

The large "Olmec" heads have always been used by Afrocentric scholars to 
"prove" that it was "African sailors, who were worshiped as gods,"
or lost "Egyptian priests that taught the Olmecs everything" (If so why 
is the Olmec and Maya long count much more advanced and accurate than 
the old Near Eastern calendars?).
The amazing thing is that if one looks at the Olmec heads fro the SIDE, 
they suddenly take on a undeniably ASIAN-like  facial physiognomy.

Olmec jades have been used to  "prove" that it was lost Chinese 
sailors/fishermen  (who happened to know how to polish jade) that 
brought "old world"
civilization to the "new world".

And of course the curious  crossing of ATLantic and ATL + TLAN meaning 
the "place of water" in Nahuatl (more or less) is given as proof by the 
lost continenters as
proof of.... well you get the point. 

Let's no even get into the lost tribes of Israel dogma or the wandering 
Irish monks, Vikings, or wayward medieval  Tupperware © saleswomen........

One must be careful not to confuse what we want to believe with what the 
facts show.

Respectfully,

Mario E. Aguilar
www.mexicayotl.org

vgray (gotsky) wrote:
> To Mike Ruggeri and others
>
> I recall some information concerning a large negro component amongst the 
> Olmec, approaching as much as 30% of the population in some instances. Again 
> the evidence here was purportedly genetic, but I did not pursue in any 
> detail the validity of these claims. Has this since been discredited?
>
> Cheers Cliff
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> From: "michael ruggeri" <michaelruggeri at mac.com>
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> Subject: [Aztlan] The Peopling of the Americas; a reply
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>> Listeros,
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>> I have been posting articles on the new finds regarding the peopling
>> of the Americas on my Pre-Clovis web sites for several years. Many of
>> the studies have conflicting elements but I think one important rule
>> for all of us is that without some scientific proof of any theory
>> regarding the identity of the First Americans and the time of their
>> arrival to the new World, it is just talk.
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>> In the last couple of years, there have been great strides in
>> applying genetic studies to the question and those researchers who
>> have presented valid scientific work showing that most First
>> Americans who arrived here descended from a small population group in
>> Siberia are ahead of all others in that they can show proof of their
>> claims based on real science and not speculation. The recent find
>> that the First Americans may have been trapped in Beringia for 20,000
>> years before they could get to Alaska due to glaciers blocking their
>> way was of some interest and geneticists there showed that genetic
>> mutations took place in that Beringian population that do not appear
>> in Siberia or Asia and that these mutations then appear in New World
>> groups throughout the Americas.
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>> Within that range of scientific studies, there is room for
>> speculation on the exact movement of peoples give or take 1000-2000
>> years. Could the settlers of Monte Verde, for example, have reached
>> that site in Chile when they did if they had not started out on their
>> journey by canoe a long time before? If some small groups in Beringia
>> had been able to move by canoe along the coast 2000 years earlier
>> than others in Beringia who eventually were able to pass overland to
>> Alaska, this may explain the Monte Verde dates.
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>> Be that as it may, there are no valid genetic studies that have been
>> published in the last few years showing any population other than
>> Siberian ones being involved in the peopling of the Americas. And the
>> latest studies in this regard have been large scale and fairly
>> convincing. The linguistic study just published that shows for the
>> first time a real tie between a Siberian language Ket and New World
>> languages again reinforces the Siberian connection.
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>> Could there have been First Americans other than the Siberian and
>> Beringian ones that have been identified genetically? I have seen
>> epidemiological reports regarding viruses and skull shapes that may
>> indicate some tie to people living in Japan or Southeast Asia but
>> they are scattered reports not followed up in any large scale manner.
>> One has to keep an open mind but so far, the Siberian/Beringian
>> origin story is the only one that has a large base of data behind it.
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>> But this is a relatively new field of studies and we have a long way
>> to go to nail down the whole story.
>>
>> Mike Ruggeri
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