[Aztlan] Date for people of corn?

[Mark Van Stone]

Dear Robert,
   Don't think so.  I am becoming increasingly suspicious that the Popol Vuj was pretty local in its scope and applicability, like the Triad at Palenque.  The Hero Twins are mentioned exactly once in the monumental record (QRG St. C base -- anyone know any other mentions?) and there is a date associated with them, but it appears to be a historical context (i.e. it seems to relate to the dedication of the stela itself),and in the spirit of Murphy, the verb is undeciphered.  There are dates on, say, the Blowgunner Vase (1 Ajaw 3 K'ank'in) and others portraying the Twins.  I think Dave Stuart has mentioned some sort of every-other-day pattern of which this date forms a triad, but, unless one considers the "birth of the Maize God" equivalent to "making people from corn," I wouldn't know where to look for a date.
   My "mystery alarm" goes off when I try to explain to myself why the Hero Twins should be almost entirely absent from the monumental text corpus, when they are so common on the Vases, and particularly when their faces are used for the glyphs "ajaw" and "nine".  I suspect they simply were locally-important gods for some (Quiché? Nakbé?) polity, like "Baby Jaguar" at Tikal and "Baby K'awiil" at Palenque. 
   The Aztec creation cycle employs multiples of Calendar Rounds (two of 13 and two which add up to  13, vaguely comparable to 13 Bak'tuns, which the date 13.0.0.0.0  4 Ajaw 8 Kumk'u implies was *some* kind of cyclical/numerical importance), and the fact that their Creations and the Maya Hearth-Planting all had a coefficient of 4 suggests that whenever the People of Corn were made, it too was a 4-date.  
    That's all for now.  
    Mark

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Subject: [Aztlan] Date for people of corn?
 
Is there anything in the ancient glyphs that gives a date for events paralleling the creation of humans from corn in the Pop Vuj?
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