[Aztlan] Plaster & Echoes

[Dave Pentecost]

I may have missed it in this discussion, but is there a recording of this
acoustic phenomenon that we could download, listen to, and perhaps compare
with the quetzal "chirps"?

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Wayne Van Kirk <wvk at swbell.net> wrote:

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> (although I am not sure how much creative liberty the reconstructors took,
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> http://www.unc.edu/news/pics/event/exhibit/ChichenItzaTemple-Maudslay-BW-1a.jpg
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> Paul Troemner <troemner at yahoo.com> wrote: All,
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> Sid Hollander posed some valid questions and comments about my recent
> posting in response to Sam Edgerton's comments.  Here are Sid's comments and
> questions, and my responses.
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> Paul wrote, "Many of the ancient American structures appear to have used
> consistent units of measurement." Sid asked:  Would you care to share this
> unit with the list?
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> Paul's response:  In some structures when dimensions are measured in modern
> units, there appears to be a fairly consistent repetition of a given set
> length or unit for that structure.  I cannot remember the book mentioning
> this statistical method of arriving at ancient units of measurements, but
> perhaps it was in Peter Tompkins' "Mysteries of the Mexican Pyramids."  This
> book has a lot of archaeological history and dimensions for the the Pyramid
> of the Sun, including maps of the seven-pronged cave or tunnel (entrance,
> two side "petals," and four end "petals"), showing units in "hunabs" and
> meters.  But the book also includes discussion about "cosmic and telluric
> forces."  There are probably other more scholarly books on statistical
> measurement of builder units, and perhaps Falken Forshaw can help with the
> name of some other sources.
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> Paul:  "and appeared to have specific shape requirements (square,
> rectangle, circle, etc.)." Sid:  and if you add trapezoids triangles you
> pretty much have it all with exception of higher level n-gons,
> dodecahedrons, igloos and that pretty much covers the spectrum of ALL
> ancient structures on earth.
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> Paul's response:  Exact square, rectangle, and circle shapes (and other
> shapes) in buildings generally require forethought and layout, regardless if
> ancient or modern.  Compass, square, and measuring stick are the type of
> tools that are needed to lay out circular and square-corner buildings.
>  Granted the compass may be nothing more than a center point stake tied to a
> string with a stick on the end, and the square a 3-4-5 triangle, but these
> are tools which indicate forethought was involved.  Even with the tools, the
> corners may not be exactly square, the walls not exactly parallel, and the
> circles not perfect, but will be closer to perfect than if no tools were
> used.  Structures built without the layout tools are more obvious with walls
> not parallel, corners not square, and circular structures are oval,
> egg-shaped, or otherwise irregular.  There are structures with astrologic
> alignments that do not have parallel walls, but such may indicate the
> structure
>  was constructed with forethought as to alignment.  Statistically, the
> closer a structure comes to exact square corners and exact circular layout,
> the more likely that layout tools were involved.  My point is that if layout
> tools were involved, there had been some detailed layout forethought for the
> structure even if we have no surviving drawings or inscriptions "to scale."
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> Paul: "I do believe there is a strong possibility the Quetzal-chirping
> design was intended."  Sid:  What leads you to believing that? And in the
> cases where there are other sounds (i.e. non Quetzal sounding) do you
> believe the non-case was intended?
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> Paul:  The inefficiency of use of materials in building a stepped pyramid
> such as the Castillo or Pyramid of Kulkulcan in Chichen Itza is one
> indicator.  If a snake shadow is all that was desired, the corners of the
> pyramid could be stepped (I am not referring to the staircases), and not
> have to step the entire perimeter.  The angle of the near-vertical faces on
> the stepped portion is another indicator (although I am not sure how much
> creative liberty the reconstructors took, what the angle is, and if the
> angle varies slightly as one proceeds up the structure).  The close
> similarity in sounds is a third indicator:
> http://www.ocasa.org/MayanPyramid.htm
> I'm not saying other structures had accoustic design, but this one may.
>  Note I used the words, "do believe," and not "am sure."
>
> Paul
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