[Aztlan] Plaster & Echoes

[Mike Geubel]

Here you hear a quetzal:
http://www.ocasa.org/sounds/Quetzal_in_cloud_forest_norm.mp3

And here you first hear a quetzal and then the echo of the piramid of
Kukulkan:
http://www.ocasa.org/sounds/qqcaca.mp3

Kind regards,

Mike Geubel

2008/9/3 Dave Pentecost <dave.pentecost at gmail.com>

> I may have missed it in this discussion, but is there a recording of this
> acoustic phenomenon that we could download, listen to, and perhaps compare
> with the quetzal "chirps"?
>
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Wayne Van Kirk <wvk at swbell.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > (although I am not sure how much creative liberty the reconstructors
> took,
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.unc.edu/news/pics/event/exhibit/ChichenItzaTemple-Maudslay-BW-1a.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> > Paul Troemner <troemner at yahoo.com> wrote: All,
> >
> > Sid Hollander posed some valid questions and comments about my recent
> > posting in response to Sam Edgerton's comments.  Here are Sid's comments
> and
> > questions, and my responses.
> >
> > Paul wrote, "Many of the ancient American structures appear to have used
> > consistent units of measurement." Sid asked:  Would you care to share
> this
> > unit with the list?
> >
> > Paul's response:  In some structures when dimensions are measured in
> modern
> > units, there appears to be a fairly consistent repetition of a given set
> > length or unit for that structure.  I cannot remember the book mentioning
> > this statistical method of arriving at ancient units of measurements, but
> > perhaps it was in Peter Tompkins' "Mysteries of the Mexican Pyramids."
>  This
> > book has a lot of archaeological history and dimensions for the the
> Pyramid
> > of the Sun, including maps of the seven-pronged cave or tunnel (entrance,
> > two side "petals," and four end "petals"), showing units in "hunabs" and
> > meters.  But the book also includes discussion about "cosmic and telluric
> > forces."  There are probably other more scholarly books on statistical
> > measurement of builder units, and perhaps Falken Forshaw can help with
> the
> > name of some other sources.
> >
> >
> > Paul:  "and appeared to have specific shape requirements (square,
> > rectangle, circle, etc.)." Sid:  and if you add trapezoids triangles you
> > pretty much have it all with exception of higher level n-gons,
> > dodecahedrons, igloos and that pretty much covers the spectrum of ALL
> > ancient structures on earth.
> >
> > Paul's response:  Exact square, rectangle, and circle shapes (and other
> > shapes) in buildings generally require forethought and layout, regardless
> if
> > ancient or modern.  Compass, square, and measuring stick are the type of
> > tools that are needed to lay out circular and square-corner buildings.
> >  Granted the compass may be nothing more than a center point stake tied
> to a
> > string with a stick on the end, and the square a 3-4-5 triangle, but
> these
> > are tools which indicate forethought was involved.  Even with the tools,
> the
> > corners may not be exactly square, the walls not exactly parallel, and
> the
> > circles not perfect, but will be closer to perfect than if no tools were
> > used.  Structures built without the layout tools are more obvious with
> walls
> > not parallel, corners not square, and circular structures are oval,
> > egg-shaped, or otherwise irregular.  There are structures with astrologic
> > alignments that do not have parallel walls, but such may indicate the
> > structure
> >  was constructed with forethought as to alignment.  Statistically, the
> > closer a structure comes to exact square corners and exact circular
> layout,
> > the more likely that layout tools were involved.  My point is that if
> layout
> > tools were involved, there had been some detailed layout forethought for
> the
> > structure even if we have no surviving drawings or inscriptions "to
> scale."
> >
> >
> > Paul: "I do believe there is a strong possibility the Quetzal-chirping
> > design was intended."  Sid:  What leads you to believing that? And in the
> > cases where there are other sounds (i.e. non Quetzal sounding) do you
> > believe the non-case was intended?
> >
> > Paul:  The inefficiency of use of materials in building a stepped pyramid
> > such as the Castillo or Pyramid of Kulkulcan in Chichen Itza is one
> > indicator.  If a snake shadow is all that was desired, the corners of the
> > pyramid could be stepped (I am not referring to the staircases), and not
> > have to step the entire perimeter.  The angle of the near-vertical faces
> on
> > the stepped portion is another indicator (although I am not sure how much
> > creative liberty the reconstructors took, what the angle is, and if the
> > angle varies slightly as one proceeds up the structure).  The close
> > similarity in sounds is a third indicator:
> > http://www.ocasa.org/MayanPyramid.htm
> > I'm not saying other structures had accoustic design, but this one may.
> >  Note I used the words, "do believe," and not "am sure."
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
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