[Aztlan] Plaster & Echoes

Wed Sep 3 11:55:04 CDT 2008

This was just a recent notice for Quetzal sounds:

http://www.xeno-canto.org/browse.php?query=QUETZAL

Dea

D. M. Urquidi  P. O. Box 49485  Austin, Texas 78765  http://www.mayalords.org    http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ancientamericas/

--- On Wed, 9/3/08, Dave Pentecost <dave.pentecost at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Dave Pentecost <dave.pentecost at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Aztlan] Plaster & Echoes
> To: "Wayne Van Kirk" <wvk at swbell.net>
> Cc: Aztlan at lists.famsi.org
> Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 10:40 AM
> I may have missed it in this discussion, but is there a
> recording of this
> acoustic phenomenon that we could download, listen to, and
> perhaps compare
> with the quetzal "chirps"?
> 
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Wayne Van Kirk
> <wvk at swbell.net> wrote:
> 
> >
> > (although I am not sure how much creative liberty the
> reconstructors took,
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.unc.edu/news/pics/event/exhibit/ChichenItzaTemple-Maudslay-BW-1a.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> > Paul Troemner <troemner at yahoo.com> wrote: All,
> >
> > Sid Hollander posed some valid questions and comments
> about my recent
> > posting in response to Sam Edgerton's comments. 
> Here are Sid's comments and
> > questions, and my responses.
> >
> > Paul wrote, "Many of the ancient American
> structures appear to have used
> > consistent units of measurement." Sid asked: 
> Would you care to share this
> > unit with the list?
> >
> > Paul's response:  In some structures when
> dimensions are measured in modern
> > units, there appears to be a fairly consistent
> repetition of a given set
> > length or unit for that structure.  I cannot remember
> the book mentioning
> > this statistical method of arriving at ancient units
> of measurements, but
> > perhaps it was in Peter Tompkins' "Mysteries
> of the Mexican Pyramids."  This
> > book has a lot of archaeological history and
> dimensions for the the Pyramid
> > of the Sun, including maps of the seven-pronged cave
> or tunnel (entrance,
> > two side "petals," and four end
> "petals"), showing units in "hunabs" and
> > meters.  But the book also includes discussion about
> "cosmic and telluric
> > forces."  There are probably other more scholarly
> books on statistical
> > measurement of builder units, and perhaps Falken
> Forshaw can help with the
> > name of some other sources.
> >
> >
> > Paul:  "and appeared to have specific shape
> requirements (square,
> > rectangle, circle, etc.)." Sid:  and if you add
> trapezoids triangles you
> > pretty much have it all with exception of higher level
> n-gons,
> > dodecahedrons, igloos and that pretty much covers the
> spectrum of ALL
> > ancient structures on earth.
> >
> > Paul's response:  Exact square, rectangle, and
> circle shapes (and other
> > shapes) in buildings generally require forethought and
> layout, regardless if
> > ancient or modern.  Compass, square, and measuring
> stick are the type of
> > tools that are needed to lay out circular and
> square-corner buildings.
> >  Granted the compass may be nothing more than a center
> point stake tied to a
> > string with a stick on the end, and the square a 3-4-5
> triangle, but these
> > are tools which indicate forethought was involved. 
> Even with the tools, the
> > corners may not be exactly square, the walls not
> exactly parallel, and the
> > circles not perfect, but will be closer to perfect
> than if no tools were
> > used.  Structures built without the layout tools are
> more obvious with walls
> > not parallel, corners not square, and circular
> structures are oval,
> > egg-shaped, or otherwise irregular.  There are
> structures with astrologic
> > alignments that do not have parallel walls, but such
> may indicate the
> > structure
> >  was constructed with forethought as to alignment. 
> Statistically, the
> > closer a structure comes to exact square corners and
> exact circular layout,
> > the more likely that layout tools were involved.  My
> point is that if layout
> > tools were involved, there had been some detailed
> layout forethought for the
> > structure even if we have no surviving drawings or
> inscriptions "to scale."
> >
> >
> > Paul: "I do believe there is a strong possibility
> the Quetzal-chirping
> > design was intended."  Sid:  What leads you to
> believing that? And in the
> > cases where there are other sounds (i.e. non Quetzal
> sounding) do you
> > believe the non-case was intended?
> >
> > Paul:  The inefficiency of use of materials in
> building a stepped pyramid
> > such as the Castillo or Pyramid of Kulkulcan in
> Chichen Itza is one
> > indicator.  If a snake shadow is all that was desired,
> the corners of the
> > pyramid could be stepped (I am not referring to the
> staircases), and not
> > have to step the entire perimeter.  The angle of the
> near-vertical faces on
> > the stepped portion is another indicator (although I
> am not sure how much
> > creative liberty the reconstructors took, what the
> angle is, and if the
> > angle varies slightly as one proceeds up the
> structure).  The close
> > similarity in sounds is a third indicator:
> > http://www.ocasa.org/MayanPyramid.htm
> > I'm not saying other structures had accoustic
> design, but this one may.
> >  Note I used the words, "do believe," and
> not "am sure."
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
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