[Aztlan] "Robert Re: SE/MESO retransmit

Sun Aug 30 11:11:57 CDT 2009

Seven Macaw's teeth can be equated to the seeds of the squash head that replaced Hunahpu's head temporarily. Their loss was the dying of a nova, as it lost his debris (as pebbles/teeth) and changed color from  bright blue to plain white of the maize kernels. And on't forget, the metallic eye decor also was removed, so the star can no longer be seen in its full "glory." Seven Macaw is now an ordinary bird moving through the sky.

The only reason the penis of Osiris got eaten by the earth monster is to represent the fact that the earth could not regenerate itself in its original position. His twin sister, Isis, a difficult time picking up his "bones' (seeds/teeth) from wherever she could find them.  Some of them were lost in the waters of the Nile and in the seas. The Earth was badly hurt and would never be the same again, hence the lack of the regenerative member of his body.

Of course, Tezcatlipoca  was He-of-the-Smoking-Mirror, when he lost his foot to the Caiman, it was replaced by the mirror. Smoking mirror that reflected the stars (and the moon) would also be equated with. not only with Sirius, but also with the lake surrounded by volcanoes,that hide the stars when the moon was full. The water would smoke if it got over-heated by the magma underneath.

Dea
D. M. Urquidi
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--- On Sun, 8/30/09, Robert Hall <robertleonardhall at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> From: Robert Hall <robertleonardhall at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [Aztlan] "Robert Re:  SE/MESO retransmit
> To: "d m urquidi" <dreemwea at gmail.com>
> Cc: "Aztlan" <aztlan at lists.famsi.org>
> Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 9:23 AM
> 
> 
>      I missed the arm of Hunahpu only in the posting
> you responded to. In an earlier posting to Aztlan I compared
> Hunahpu's lost arm and 7 Macaw's lost teeth to the missing
> foot of Tezcatlipoca and the missing mandible of Cipactli
> and to the twin's lost leg and cayman's lost mandible in the
> South American tale. This poses the additional problem of 7
> Macaw being a bird and Cipactli being a crocodilian. This
> seeming contradiction I see as an evolution in divergent
> directions from the presence early in Preclassic times of
> an avian-saurian deity.
>      The avian-saurian creature took the form of a
> crocodilian with bird head around 1000-800 BCE in the
> eastern US and in first millennium CE at Cocle in Panama.
> Some of the ceramic flutes from Veracruz also feature the
> same or similar composite creatures, one of them a
> feathered iguana.
>      As for Osiris, when his body was reassembled the
> one part that could not be found was
> his penis, which had been eaten by an Oxyrhynchus fish.
> Osiris was one of a set of twins, by the way.
>      As for the mirror on Tezcatlipoca's foot being
> Sirius, I would call attention to the fact that Mirror that
> Smokes, Mirror that Steams, is the ritual term for the
> earth, as explained in Andrews and Hassig's commentary on
> Alarcon's Treatise on Heathen Superstitions. It was the
> earth monster, after all, that consumed Tezcatlipoca's foot.
> Tezcatlipoca was not himself the Smoking Mirror in the
> metaphoric sense but rather in the metonymic sense of
> He-of-the-Smoking-Mirror. The association of earth and
> mirror is found in the North American Plains as well. There
> was a practice of divination involving the blood of a badger
> as a mirror viewed by moonlight. If fresh, the blood would
> have steamed. The badger was an earth metaphor.
>      Bob Hall
>  
> 
> --- On Sun, 8/30/09, d m urquidi <dreemwea at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: d m urquidi <dreemwea at gmail.com>
> Subject: "Robert Re: [Aztlan] SE/MESO retransmit
> To: robertleonardhall at sbcglobal.net
> Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 6:24 AM
> 
> Bob:
>  
> I took offense at the fact that you missed the arm of
> Hunahpu and the emasculation of Cronos. Osiris symbol is not
> a penis, but the spinal cord. Hence, it is one of the
> pillars of the world, The Milky Way. He also describes the
> Rose Tree (the other pillar) as the Great Star, not Venus in
> spite of the friars.
>  
> Sahagun explained where the Fire Sticks Chapter III are
> located (contrary to B. Tedlock's version) and confirms it
> Chapter IV, nbr IV. And in the title of Chapter III, the
> MasteleJos that becomes
> M = place of; astillejos - Gemini AND MasteleRos.
>  
> Phillips Jr., Henry (1883) History of the Mexicans as Told
> by Their Paintings Translated and edited by Henry Phillips
> Jr. Proceedings of the American Philosophical Society
> XXI:616-651, 1883. (edited  for FAMSI by Alec Christensen)
> 
> It is also in my new book Turquoise Teeth: Jewel Eyes.
> Tried to send you a few chapters but even gl-mail will not
> carry both.
> 
> What is so amazing to me, is that you all see the pieces,
> (if you all had not done that I would never have found what
> I see) but you all have no way to connect them. You see to
> be tied to the statues and stories of the gods instead of
> what they mean. Don't mean to rant, but GEE WHIZ!!!!!
Dea
> D. M. Urquidi P. O. Box 49485 Austin, Texas 78765 http://www.mayalords.org http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ancientamericas/ ---
> On Sat, 8/29/09, Robert Hall <robertleonardhall at sbcglobal.net>
> wrote: > From: Robert Hall <robertleonardhall at sbcglobal.net>
> > Subject: [Aztlan] SE/MESO retransmit > To: "michael
> ruggeri" <michaelruggeri at mac.com>,
> "Nick Hopkins" <nickhopkins at live.com>
> > Cc: "Aztlan" <aztlan at lists.famsi.org>
> > Date: Saturday, August 29, 2009, 4:24 PM > > >
> Nick and Mike, >      I agree that precautions are
> necessary. Quite a > few years back I was working in a
> fairly isolated former > Indian mission town in
> Venezuela. One of the residents knew > that I was making
> a special note of distinctive local usages > of words and
> expressions. He began bringing me some real > puzzlers,
> words that seemed to be in an archaic Spanish. The >
> excitement waned when I discovered that he was picking words
> > from a Latin Bible that he recognized as being
>  cognate with > Spanish words he knew. >      One
> of the genuine, I feel, substrates of mythic > themes in
> the New World relate to the constellation Orion, > which
> widely turns up in connection with stories about >
> individuals who have lost a body part. For Greek Orion it
> > was an eye. For Egyptian Osiris it was his penis. For
> the > Navajo it was a scalp. For the Crow and Hidatsa it
> was a > hand. In South America it was a leg. Though I
> know of no > explicit connection with Orion, I would add
> to this list > Tezcatlipoca. Tezcatliopoca lost his foot
> to the crocodilian > Cipactli, who in turn lost his lower
> jaw, just as one of a > set of South American twins lost
> his leg to a crocodilian, > who in turn lost his lower
> jaw. The leg became Orion, the > jaw the Hyades. In the
> case of Tezcatlipoca there is an > implicit connection to
> Orion, however. In his guise as > Mixcoatl Tezcatlipoca
> drilled the first fire. Orion is the > firesticks
> constellation, of
>  course. Bob Hall > >
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