[Aztlan] Star symbol in Lintel 41 Yaxchilan, Chiapas?

[Gary Daniels]

> As to what you refer to as "cup-and-ring",
> probably safest to refer to it simply as small circle (or: ring)
> inside larger circle.

Just to clarify: "cup-and-ring" is a term used in petroglyph studies. It's
not my term. It refers to a very specific design, consisting of concentric
circles with central dot or circle, and is found carved in rocks throughout
the world. This rock art design appears to begin during the Bronze Age.

Here's a Wikipedia article on the subject:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cup_and_ring_mark

Here's a link to a Google image search of "cup and ring" with lots of great
examples:

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US
:official&q=cup+and+ring&oq=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=ZVdnS5aXOYO3lAeRldWUCg&sa=X&oi
=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CCMQsAQwAw

Do Mayanists have a term for this design? I'm always in need of the
appropriate search terms since I'm very new to Mayan studies.

-Gary Daniels
http://www.LostWorlds.org




On 2/1/10 3:42 PM, "ECOLING at aol.com" <ECOLING at aol.com> wrote:

> That Yaxchilan Lintel 41 headdress is referred to by Carolyn Tate
> in her book on Yaxchilan p.105 chart as "Tlaloc",
> and is part of a typical warfare headdress.
> Still the standard interpretation, I believe.
> The "star" to which you refer occurs in the eye of the Tlaloc mask,
> which has no lower jaw, if that helps to make it easier to see.
> If there is a central circle, that would probably be just part of
> the design of the star.
> 
> As to what you refer to as "cup-and-ring",
> probably safest to refer to it simply as small circle (or: ring)
> inside larger circle.   The word "cup" evokes a profile,
> which I think you do not mean, and "ring" is ambiguous
> between what is worn on a finger, and a larger circle
> (ring of bushes around the garden).
> 
> The image of a small circle inside a larger circle
> is thought in some quarters to be a symbol for jade,
> as when a mask or ornaments or a ceremonial tunic
> might be made from a number of square-ish plaques
> of jade.   There is also a glyph like that, usually read as the
> logogram PET 'to circle' or 'to turn' or related meanings
> 
> I would be very interested if it sometimes refers to "star",
> but rather doubt that.
> 
> Best wishes,
> Lloyd
> 
> Lloyd Anderson
> Ecological Linguistics
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> Washington DC 20003
> ecoling at aol.com
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