[Aztlan] Bonampak burials

[Dave Pentecost]

I thought it meant "White Dog" and that Plan de Ayutla was thought to
be the actual site. Is there any new information confirming or
refuting that?

See http://www.mesoweb.com/reports/Plan/Ayutla.html for Joel Skidmore's report.

Best regards
Dave


On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 6:08 PM, dolores clark urquidi
<dreemwea at gmail.com> wrote:
> Folks:
>
> Does anyone besides me want to know the meaning of Sak Tz'l?
>
> I am interested.
>
> Dea
>
> 2010/1/14 Ed Barnhart <edbarnhart at mayaexploration.org>:
>> Hi Jorge and all,
>>
>> If I understand the glyphic texts in the murals (now all but illegible) they
>> explain that the war depicted is Bonampak and Yaxchilan vs. Sak Tz'i.  The
>> last room of murals has obvious places in the painting that were never
>> finished, especially the name tags of noblemen.  What stopped the work?  I
>> have always wondered whether Sak Tz'I didn't come back for round two.  Based
>> on a Sak Tzi stela in Europe (though the city of Sak Tz'I has yet to be
>> found), they outlived their rivals at Bonampak for decades.  However, that's
>> just my theory.  That's one of the librating things about archaeological
>> interpretation, eh?  We just make our best guess until further evidence
>> presents itself :)
>>
>> Dr. Edwin Barnhart
>> Director, Maya Exploration Center
>> Austin, TX
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: aztlan-bounces at lists.famsi.org [mailto:aztlan-bounces at lists.famsi.org]
>> On Behalf Of Jorge Pérez de Lara
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:48 PM
>> To: Aztlan
>> Subject: Re: [Aztlan] Bonampak burials
>>
>> In reading the news I (like Ed) had trouble with the interpretation of
>> the remains found as belonging to a sacrificed captive. Captives were
>> commonly humiliated, often tortured. When they were buried, they were
>> sometimes put into their graves hand-tied or in contorted positions.
>> This does not fit very well with the offerings found that were
>> accompanying the body, which appear to be quite sumptuous (what with
>> all that jade, ceramics and alabaster). The absence of a skull may
>> well be the result of what Ed has suggested. It doesn't suggest to me
>> that this was a sacrificial victim (for the dedication of the building
>> or otherwise). It is, indeed, very tempting to think this may be Chan
>> Muwaan himself. After all, it is his building!
>>
>> I would like to ask Ed why he thinks that Bonampak came to its end
>> (which all evidence points to have been sudden) at the specific hands
>> of Sak Tsi'i.
>>
>> Jorge
>>
>> P.S.: By the way, Ed. I was thinking exactly the same about the use of
>> ground-penetrating radar for the purpose of conserving either the
>> paintings or the buildings. Modern archaeology, alas, is very much
>> focused these days on finding tombs.
>>
>> On Jan 13, 2010, at 9:27 AM, Ed Barnhart wrote:
>>
>>> I hypothesize that considering the hieroglyphics and name markers in
>>> the
>>> third mural room are unfinished, that Chan Muan's rule came to an
>>> unexpected
>>> end at the hands of Sak Tzi.  The evidence of the tomb leans towards a
>>> royal, not an executed captive.  It may well be Chan Muan himself
>>> (dates and
>>> age match), and that something happened to his skull either during a
>>> ancestor worship ritual or something involving their enemy, Sak
>>> Tzi.  What
>>> an exciting find!
>>>
>>> BTW, I hardly see how restoring the murals required ground penetrating
>>> radar... :)
>>>
>>> Dr. Edwin Barnhart
>>> Director, Maya Exploration Center
>>> 7301 Ranch Road 620 N
>>> Suite 155 #284
>>> Austin, Texas 78726
>>> (512) 350-3321
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